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Arawn_Fenn Registered: Jul '04	Date Posted: 7/8 4:10pm Subject: The Power of Darth Plagueis
	The "prophecy may have been misread" scene does not refer to Anakin's conception. It refers to Anakin being the Chosen One, destined to destroy the Sith and bring balance to the Force. Anakin was canonically the Chosen One; those things happened. So we know that the prophecy was not in fact misread in the sense pondered by the Jedi in ROTS. As far as I know, the prophecy did not say the Chosen One would be conceived by the Force; the TPM novel speaks only of a being born with an abundance of midichlorians. In any event the situation is sufficiently vague to allow for conception through Sith manipulation of the midichlorians, and we know from Lucas that Sith creation remains one of the possibilities without invalidating the prophecy. -----signature----- "James T. Kirk was a great man... but that was another life."
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CaptainGiladPellaeon Registered: Jun '09	Date Posted: 7/9 1:38pm Subject: The Power of Darth Plagueis
	Yoda does not say, "Anakin may not be the Chosen One of the prophecy." He says the prophecy may have been "misread," which suggests that the prophecy itself is ambiguous enough to be misunderstood by the Jedi. One way it could have been misunderstood, or misread, could be mis-identifying its details with the situation of Anakin Skywalker. In this hypothetical case, Anakin would not be the Chosen One. However, the prophecy also may have been misread in the sense that something was misunderstood about the circumstances of the Chosen One, who is indeed Anakin. For example, the Jedi may have misread the prophecy to say the Chosen One would be conceived by the will of the Force, when the prophecy actually meant that the Chosen One would be conceived through a Sith experiment. Or, the Jedi may have misread the prophecy to say the Chosen One would destroy the Sith, when the prophecy actually meant something different by "balance to the Force." Or, the Jedi may have misread the prophecy to say the Chosen One would destroy the Sith as a Jedi, when the prophecy actually meant (as happened in Anakin's case) that the Chosen One would destroy the Sith from within or after a fall to the dark side. We don't have the actual text of the prophecy anywhere, as far as I know. We certainly don't have the text in the movies, so we can only speculate. -----signature----- Whatever slippery ground exists here is beneath your feet. – Admiral Gilad Pellaeon (Vision of the Future) I question all that is not yet familiar to me. – Grand Admiral Thrawn (Heir to the Empire)
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Arawn_Fenn Registered: Jul '04	Date Posted: 7/9 6:53pm Subject: The Power of Darth Plagueis - Date Edited: 7/9 6:54pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Arawn_Fenn
	CaptainGiladPellaeon posted: He says the prophecy may have been "misread," Which was in response to Obi-Wan saying "With all due respect, Master, is he not the Chosen One? Is he not to destroy the Sith and bring balance to the Force?" and Mace saying "So the prophecy says." One presumes Yoda was participating in the actual conversation in progress. -----signature----- "James T. Kirk was a great man... but that was another life."
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CaptainGiladPellaeon Registered: Jun '09	Date Posted: 7/13 1:34am Subject: The Power of Darth Plagueis
	I've always understood that exchange this way: Obi-Wan: "Is he not the Chosen One? Is he not to destroy the Sith and bring balance to the Force?" So, Obi-Wan is taking for granted that this is what the prophecy says. Mace: "So the prophecy says." Mace agrees with Obi-Wan's interpretation of the prophecy, though he and Obi-Wan may not realize that they are performing an act of interpretation, because they think their interpretation of what the prophecy says is its clear, transparent meaning. They talk of their interpretation of the prophecy as if it were provable fact. Yoda: "A prophecy which misread could have been." Yoda throws a curve into the conversation. Obi-Wan and Mace are talking about what the prophecy says as if everyone knows what it says, but Yoda raises the possibility of misinterpretation or misreading. Does the prophecy say Anakin is the Chosen One? Does the prophecy say the Chosen One will bring balance to the Force? Does the prophecy say the Chosen One will destroy the Sith? We haven't seen the prophecy, so we don't know. The only safe bet is that it does not say all three of the things that Obi-Wan and Mace claim it says in unequivocal language, or there would be no possibility of misreading. But what if the prophecy only says the Chosen One will bring balance to the Force, and the destruction of the Sith is the potential misreading that Yoda is bringing up. That possibility makes the most sense to me because when Qui-Gon mentions the prophecy in TPM and when Mace mentions it in AOTC, both talk about balance to the Force and neither mentions destruction of the Sith, besides which, the flow of the ROTS conversation seems to be: OBI-WAN: Anakin can handle the Palpatine situation because it's his destiny to destroy the Sith. MACE: Yep. Yoda: Are you sure? -----signature----- Whatever slippery ground exists here is beneath your feet. – Admiral Gilad Pellaeon (Vision of the Future) I question all that is not yet familiar to me. – Grand Admiral Thrawn (Heir to the Empire)
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