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Typhis Registered: Jan '05	Date Posted: 6/25 11:56am Subject: Sidious vs 4 Jedi
	Don't know if its been talked about but......I hear that this fight is and was much better in the book than in the movie...How is it??? I have a episode III movie script(autographed )it not much different.
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G-FETT Registered: Aug '01	Date Posted: 6/25 12:44pm Subject: Sidious vs 4 Jedi
	Because in the novel, Matt Stover could depict the fight over several pages and really go to town on it. Movies are differant because they have time constraints. The key thing in the movie was to get to the Palpatine, Mace and Anakin stand-off. -----signature----- I felt a great disturbance in the force. As if millions of voices suddenly cried out in terror. Then were suddenly silenced.
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EmeraldBlade Registered: Apr '08	Date Posted: 6/25 3:37pm Subject: Sidious vs 4 Jedi
	The Novel version was Epic. -----signature----- I am not Colour Blind, believe it or not. And I can spell, believe it or not.
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SithStarSlayer Registered: Oct '03	Date Posted: 6/26 9:41am Subject: Sidious vs 4 Jedi
	G-FETT posted: Because in the novel, Matt Stover could depict the fight over several pages and really go to town on it. That doesn't explain this: G-FETT posted: Movies are differant because they have time constraints. That may be true for most multi-media crossovers, but not THIS one. The Novel and Movie events regarding the Posse Beatdown were originally very close in proximity. It wasn't until AFTER Lucas showed the scene to some of his homies that it was changed. Lucas caved in to outside influences; and for me, the altered scene ended up feeling disjointed and rushed. G-FETT posted: The key thing in the movie was to get to the Palpatine, Mace and Anakin stand-off. True... but for the love of Mat, wouldn't have been MORE Sinister to have Anakin openly refuse to help Mace? Instead of his knee jerk, reaction and subsequent: "OOOPS! Wut have I dun?" moment? -----signature----- Lucas didn't ruin my childhood but he sure wrecked Vader's ^^Foolish men mistake transitory semblance 4 eternal fact^^ o[]\|\|]ooooooooo[0]\|\|[]{ Gal: 5:19-21 Philippians 2:9-11
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Dark_Jedi_Kenobi Title: Manager: • Prequel Trilogy Registered: Oct '04	Date Posted: 6/26 12:01pm Subject: Sidious vs 4 Jedi
	Stover's version of the fight is superior to the film's simply because the three Jedi (other than Mace) are not all killed within a half a second. There is some realism in the manner in which they are cut down. I think had the film followed the structure of the novel's fight, the scene would have been superior.
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DarthBoba Registered: Jun '00	Date Posted: 6/26 12:02pm Subject: Sidious vs 4 Jedi
	I don't think that the point of ROTS was to make Anakin/Vader 'sinister'. It was to illustrate how much of a tool he was being. The very possessive way Sidious refers to Vader at the end of the novel-'greatest treasure of the Sith' making it past Lucas' line-editing reinforces that, I think: He's the slave that makes sure all the other slaves stay in line for Massuh. Star Wars Episode III: Revenge Of The Sith, or, Being Evil Is Not Cool -----signature----- Only a Prime can defeat Vader and his Emperor.
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DarthIktomi Registered: May '09	Date Posted: 6/26 5:03pm Subject: Sidious vs 4 Jedi
	The three Jedi died so quick because of the Conservation of Ninjitsu. The larger the force, the weaker each individual member will be. The net result is that one ninja (Let's call him Zatoichi.) can take on a hundred and win; in fact, it's guaranteed he will.
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Drewton Registered: Jan '09	Date Posted: 6/26 7:27pm Subject: Sidious vs 4 Jedi
	EmeraldBlade posted: The Novel version was Epic. QFT. -----signature----- http://www.moddb.com/mods/the-sith-lords-massive-improvement-mod The Sith Lords Massive Improvement Mod
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Gary_Buchenara Registered: Apr '09	Date Posted: 6/26 7:41pm Subject: Sidious vs 4 Jedi
	I think the idea of the three being taken care of so quick was to illustrate Sidious' enormous power- such that al but the most powerful Jedi were toast against him. Unfortunately it succeeded more in demonstrating the Jedi's remarkable lameness. Maybe the novel version seems less rushed because it takes a few minutes for them to die while you read instead of a few seconds while you watch.
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Jedi_Keiran_Halcyon Registered: Dec '00	Date Posted: 6/26 7:54pm Subject: Sidious vs 4 Jedi
	SithStarSlayer posted: That doesn't explain this: I- ah- uh-- Please tell me more about that picture... -----signature----- Personally if treating homosexuals with respect and dignity is the definition of 'anti-Christian' then I hope that Obama is the friggin' anti-Christ. - FIDo
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DarthBoba Registered: Jun '00	Date Posted: 6/27 4:27am Subject: Sidious vs 4 Jedi - Date Edited: 6/27 4:28am (1 edits total) Edited By: DarthBoba
	That's from the original, all-George version of The Turn. EDIT: Before I looked directly at the chair on Anakin's left (viewer's right) I thought it had clothes hanging on it. "Man, Palpatine sure is a slob...wait what" -----signature----- Only a Prime can defeat Vader and his Emperor.
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SithStarSlayer Registered: Oct '03	Date Posted: 6/27 9:19am Subject: Sidious vs 4 Jedi - Date Edited: 6/27 9:26am (1 edits total) Edited By: SithStarSlayer
	Jedi_Keiran_Halcyon posted: SithStarSlayer posted: That doesn't explain this: I- ah- uh-- Please tell me more about that picture... U want the long or the short explanation, eh? Since I'm at work, I only have time for the condensed version. That picture has weight, because of what originally preceeded it. In the early script and filming schedule, Anakin turned much earlier in the film and still served as Palpatine's liason to the Jedi Council. Kenobi was the one who tipped Mace off to the fact that Sidious was also Palpatine, after he witnessed the Droid General's holo transmission with Sidious while on Utapau. Cue the picture... Mace and Posse showed up and Anakin was ALREADY with Palpatine. Macxe told him to come stand behind them and AnaVader didn't budge. Palpatine snatched AnaVader's saber and certain shots of the finished film still show Palpatine holding AnaVader's hilt, so there is further proof for those skeptical. How it ended was very similar except for AnaVader running to join them. And Boba, the reason I chose the word Sinister, is this: OT-Vader craved power, PT Anakin yapped about it, but ROTS delivered a wussyfied, watered down version. ((In the original turn, Palpatine offered him power, and he took it with no mention of Padme. His dialog? "I want the power to stop death.")) Now, as presented onscreen, Anakin's reaction to Mace is too knee-jerk for my tastes. And my point is based on Ben's dialg about Darth Vader betraying the Jedi Order to help the Empire. I believe the turn would carried MORE emotional weight if it had been left alone. AnaVader's betrayal would have been his own, not some coerced, or contrived "cry me a river moment." OT Vader was not a wuss, but the first thing we see PT-Vader do is cry... (and he cries again on Mustafar) Heresy, if u ask me. -----signature----- Lucas didn't ruin my childhood but he sure wrecked Vader's ^^Foolish men mistake transitory semblance 4 eternal fact^^ o[]\|\|]ooooooooo[0]\|\|[]{ Gal: 5:19-21 Philippians 2:9-11
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DarthBoba Registered: Jun '00	Date Posted: 6/27 1:25pm Subject: Sidious vs 4 Jedi
	I don't have as much of a problem with it, for whatever reason. Anyway, read some of the cutscenes at starwarz.com and I really wish they'd kept Mace's 'You Sith disease!' line in the film. That would've been great to hear Sam say. -----signature----- Only a Prime can defeat Vader and his Emperor.
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CaptainGiladPellaeon Registered: Jun '09	Date Posted: 6/28 12:42am Subject: Sidious vs 4 Jedi
	I love ROTS, but the scene in which Palpatine kills three Jedi in a matter of seconds is one of the worst in the prequels, for me, if not the worst in the prequels. It bothers me because Palpatine's twisting torpedo jump is too weird looking for me to find plausible. It bothers me because Kit Fisto is such a cool character in some EU material and such a disappointment in this scene. Mostly, though, it bothers me because it makes the three Jedi so unbelievably pathetic that I don't even see them as pathetic, wimpy Jedi, but merely as actors in a badly done, implausible scene. To me, the three dying Jedi masters in this scene are the wampa in the cave of the prequel trilogy. When Lucas couldn't show the wampa snow creature in the original version of ESB, the film makers used a combination of cinematic tricks to suggest the creature's presence without showing it, but the special edition of ESB gave Lucas the opportunity to show the creature. For me, the new version of the wampa scenes gain little in plausibility and lose the suspense built by the original scenes, during which viewers could not be sure what was in the cave with Luke. Sometimes things left un-shown are more powerful than things shown, and I think this principle applies to the three Jedi masters. Lucas evidently wanted to show Palpatine's power by giving him a quick victory over three Jedi masters, but what if Lucas had juggled his story a little so that viewers don't see what happens to the three Jedi until Anakin bursts in? Anakin could have discovered, along with the audience, three dead masters and Mace battling for his life, and all of us (including Anakin) would have been awed together trying to imagine what awesome power Palpatine could have unleashed to deal so effectively with four attackers. -----signature----- Whatever slippery ground exists here is beneath your feet. – Admiral Gilad Pellaeon (Vision of the Future) I question all that is not yet familiar to me. – Grand Admiral Thrawn (Heir to the Empire)
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Dark_Lord_THX_1138 Registered: Jun '09	Date Posted: 6/28 7:07am Subject: Sidious vs 4 Jedi
	SithStarSlayer posted: Jedi_Keiran_Halcyon posted: SithStarSlayer posted: That doesn't explain this: I- ah- uh-- Please tell me more about that picture... U want the long or the short explanation, eh? Since I'm at work, I only have time for the condensed version. That picture has weight, because of what originally preceeded it. In the early script and filming schedule, Anakin turned much earlier in the film and still served as Palpatine's liason to the Jedi Council. Kenobi was the one who tipped Mace off to the fact that Sidious was also Palpatine, after he witnessed the Droid General's holo transmission with Sidious while on Utapau. Cue the picture... Mace and Posse showed up and Anakin was ALREADY with Palpatine. Macxe told him to come stand behind them and AnaVader didn't budge. Palpatine snatched AnaVader's saber and certain shots of the finished film still show Palpatine holding AnaVader's hilt, so there is further proof for those skeptical. How it ended was very similar except for AnaVader running to join them. Very interesting information
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SithStarSlayer Registered: Oct '03	Date Posted: 6/28 11:42am Subject: Sidious vs 4 Jedi
	And to finish the scene, Sidious orders the cleansing of the Temple as AnaVader says: "the Jedi have betrayed US..." and Sidious had a smarmy response, that I can't quite fully recall, but it was something like: "Of, course, as you say..." Random musing: What I think was the biggest drawback to the edit, is that AnaVader would have been on the Jedi counsel... Cue up the, "I'm not the Jedi I should be. I WANT MORE." See, AnaVader could have been waiting for them to name him a "Master", then he doesn't need Palpatine as he believed the Holocrons held the secrets that he needed. But they don't, so he goes back to Sidious (I have forseen that they will come for us) and waits for the Posse to show up and finally justify his decision to align with Sidious. ("From my POV the Jedi are evil!"-will be deeper too BTW.) Seeing him stand there and do nothing would have been ten times more powerful/emotional than watching him rush in at the last moment and then cry about it after wards. I regret not getting to see the turn as it was originally filmed. -----signature----- Lucas didn't ruin my childhood but he sure wrecked Vader's ^^Foolish men mistake transitory semblance 4 eternal fact^^ o[]\|\|]ooooooooo[0]\|\|[]{ Gal: 5:19-21 Philippians 2:9-11
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