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GARTH_MAUL Title: LACWAC Manager & White Wizard Registered: May '02	Date Posted: 7/8 3:44pm Subject: Sidious vs 4 Jedi
	But Dooku was motivated purely (as far as we are shown) for personal gain. Anakin and Luke had the family motto: the path to hell is paved with good intentions. -----signature----- Dustin + Tina = 5 years of marriage Obama given First Annual Montgomery Burns Award for Outstanding Achievement in the Field of Excellence
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CaptainGiladPellaeon Registered: Jun '09	Date Posted: 7/9 1:55pm Subject: Sidious vs 4 Jedi
	darth-sinister posted: Luke felt that he wasn't strong enough and was tempted by it, through anger and hate. But Luke never says this. He expresses a sense of inadequacy at times, but not on the second Death Star, and he never wonders if the dark side, much less a specific allegiance to the Sith, will complete his power. And the Emperor only suggests as much in a vague way. He tells Luke that negative emotions like hate can make him powerful, but not how the Sith as a specific organization can give him anything he needs, so even if we're meant to infer everything you argue about Luke's temptation, Lucas does not lay it out clearly enough, in my opinion. And as for why Dooku turned, my point was not that we have no idea about his motivations. My point is that the details are so sketchy and backgrounded that all the events and personality traits and conversations that would really lead a person to Dooku's motivation never even become a point of debate, much less a good blue print for really understanding the specific details of someone else's turn to the Sith. -----signature----- Whatever slippery ground exists here is beneath your feet. – Admiral Gilad Pellaeon (Vision of the Future) I question all that is not yet familiar to me. – Grand Admiral Thrawn (Heir to the Empire)
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darth-sinister Title: Manager Emeritus Registered: Jun '01	Date Posted: 7/9 2:38pm Subject: Sidious vs 4 Jedi
	GARTH_MAUL posted: But Dooku was motivated purely (as far as we are shown) for personal gain. Anakin and Luke had the family motto: the path to hell is paved with good intentions. But there is personal gain for Anakin and Luke. Both want to protect those that they care for, so that they don't lose them. So that they don't suffer the loss of someone that they care for. Anakin said that he couldn't live without Padme and so long as she was alive and safe, then he wouldn't have to deal with being alone as he was when he lost Shmi. Luke doesn't want to see Han and Leia suffer and possibly die on Bespin. Nor does he want the Alliance to fall, much less his sister. His personal gain is their continued survival. CaptainGiladPellaeon posted: But Luke never says this. He expresses a sense of inadequacy at times, but not on the second Death Star, and he never wonders if the dark side, much less a specific allegiance to the Sith, will complete his power. And the Emperor only suggests as much in a vague way. He tells Luke that negative emotions like hate can make him powerful, but not how the Sith as a specific organization can give him anything he needs, so even if we're meant to infer everything you argue about Luke's temptation, Lucas does not lay it out clearly enough, in my opinion. No, Luke doesn't say that outright. It is his actions that speak loudly. Especially at the start and the conclusion of the duel, when you see the crazed look on his face. The lust for power. It is there in his attack on Palpatine, because he feels that he cannot save his friends. He returned to Dagobah to complete his training, but knows that he is still has much to learn. He knows that he is not a Jedi yet. So he is without options. Obi-wan tells him to bury his feelings deep down and yet, they're exploited and his attack is the result of not only his desire to save Leia, but because he wasn't capable of hiding his feelings from Vader. CaptainGiladPellaeon posted: And as for why Dooku turned, my point was not that we have no idea about his motivations. My point is that the details are so sketchy and backgrounded that all the events and personality traits and conversations that would really lead a person to Dooku's motivation never even become a point of debate, much less a good blue print for really understanding the specific details of someone else's turn to the Sith. All that is needed is that those who turn do so out of greed, fear and anger. Dooku wanted to be all powerful, which he tells us and the Jedi when he confronts them. He finally got his wish when he joined Palpatine. And the death of his student had struck home, since he left the Jedi Order not long after he died. He also expresses a lack of trust in the Senate, due to the corruption therein. -----signature----- Stewie: "Oh, this is an even bigger jackpot than when the Emperor came up with the formula for great Star Wars dialouge." Palpatine: "Something, something, something. Dark side. Something, something, something complete."
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Grytpype Registered: Feb '09	Date Posted: 7/13 5:21am Subject: Sidious vs 4 Jedi
	SithStarSlayer posted: That may be true for most multi-media crossovers, but not THIS one. The Novel and Movie events regarding the Posse Beatdown were originally very close in proximity. It wasn't until AFTER Lucas showed the scene to some of his homies that it was changed. Lucas caved in to outside influences; and for me, the altered scene ended up feeling disjointed and rushed. was a longer fight scene between "the Posse" filmed?? the behind the scenes feature gave me the impression that the Sidious/Windu fight was changed on the day of filming to lightsabres (or was it to changed to show McDiarmud wielding a lightsabre as opposed to a double?) could we see an extended "Posse Beat Down" someday after those 3 Jedi become more popular due to TCW?
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Ferus-Olin Registered: May '08	Date Posted: 7/24 12:19am Subject: Sidious vs 4 Jedi
	It seems to me given Anakin's personality he would of been more likely to go "rogue" before joining the Sith than just hopping camps. There's a lot of questions about the whole turning to the dark side issue that remain unanswered. Basically you could say it was a lack of time in order to develop a deeper plot that it ultimately deserved. It really stands as one of the ultimate stories of betrayal and redemption. It's a shame the movies fail somewhat to deliver on it. -----signature----- "We are not tricksters. We are ambassadors of peace and justice."
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darth-sinister Title: Manager Emeritus Registered: Jun '01	Date Posted: 7/25 1:50pm Subject: Sidious vs 4 Jedi
	Grytpype posted: SithStarSlayer posted: That may be true for most multi-media crossovers, but not THIS one. The Novel and Movie events regarding the Posse Beatdown were originally very close in proximity. It wasn't until AFTER Lucas showed the scene to some of his homies that it was changed. Lucas caved in to outside influences; and for me, the altered scene ended up feeling disjointed and rushed. was a longer fight scene between "the Posse" filmed?? the behind the scenes feature gave me the impression that the Sidious/Windu fight was changed on the day of filming to lightsabres (or was it to changed to show McDiarmud wielding a lightsabre as opposed to a double?) could we see an extended "Posse Beat Down" someday after those 3 Jedi become more popular due to TCW? I don't have the making of book, but yes, the duel was changed to give McDiramid more screentime during the duel as opposed to his double. Jackson was supposed to film the whole fight, except for anything that was too big for him to do. As to the Posse itself, I don't think they were supposed to fight. -----signature----- Stewie: "Oh, this is an even bigger jackpot than when the Emperor came up with the formula for great Star Wars dialouge." Palpatine: "Something, something, something. Dark side. Something, something, something complete."
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Blue_Jedi33 Registered: Aug '03	Date Posted: 7/29 10:32pm Subject: Sidious vs 4 Jedi
	I remember in the book in this scene, Anakin arrives and see's a Master Jedi's(Kit Fisto) head on a table looking at him. Creepy, but it would have made an intense scene -----signature----- POTESTATEM OBSCURI LATERIS NESCIS!
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Dark_Jedi_Kenobi Title: Manager: • Prequel Trilogy Registered: Oct '04	Date Posted: 7/29 11:02pm Subject: Sidious vs 4 Jedi
	A part of me always liked that scene in the book.
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X-Factor Registered: Jul '09	Date Posted: 7/29 11:41pm Subject: Sidious vs 4 Jedi
	Wow...that does seem a bit creepy but also kinda awesome. It would have been great to see that on the big screen! Too bad. -----signature----- Proud member of the Democrat Socialist Party.
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DarthBoba Registered: Jun '00	Date Posted: 7/30 6:58am Subject: Sidious vs 4 Jedi
	Maybe he thought death was funny, too, Dark Jedi Kenobi. -----signature----- Only a Prime can defeat Vader and his Emperor.
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Arawn_Fenn Registered: Jul '04	Date Posted: 7/30 4:03pm Subject: Sidious vs 4 Jedi
	Blue_Jedi33 posted: I remember in the book in this scene, Anakin arrives and see's a Master Jedi's(Kit Fisto) head on a table looking at him. Creepy, but it would have made an intense scene Except for the fact that Palpatine would not have had time to carefully place Kit's head upright on the table. -----signature----- "Just when you think the amount of fail cannot possibly increase, the Internet keeps on giving." - SalvorHardin "Let's see them argue with nature and persuade the nonexistent polar bears not to eat them." - crownarmourer
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jc1138 Registered: Nov '04	Date Posted: 7/30 7:34pm Subject: Sidious vs 4 Jedi
	I always like to look to the movies to explain my questions and I've certainly wondered about the 1 on 4 fight. It makes sense to me that, strictly from what we see in the film, Sidious used some sort of dark-side mental attack on the 3 council members, one they were unfamiliar with and unprepared for. To me, this explains their being slaughtered with such ease.
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