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OK421 Registered: Jul '09	Date Posted: 7/1 11:28am Subject: Remaking/Reinventing the Prequels?
	I'm fairly certain this will never happen, but I'd love to hear folks' ideas about it anyway: If, hypothetically, you were able to remake the prequels, how would you structure the trilogy? I'm not talking about changing a scene here or there, but rather reinventing the trilogy from the ground up. Because the prequels happen far enough before the classic trilogy, you could essentially "start over" with the classic trilogy as your jumping-off point. It's a little hard to imagine, since the prequels are now well-established, but try to unlearn what you have learned: the classic trilogy is canon, and everything else is up for grabs. Get the idea? No midichlorians, no Jar Jar, no Nemoidians, no child Anakin (that is, unless you wanted to start off the trilogy with him as a child). Where would the prequel trilogy begin? Where would it end? What would be the major pieces of the story arc? For my part, I would want the prequel trilogy to tie up some of the pieces from the classic trilogy that I found frustratingly lacking in the prequels as they were made. For example: 1) IMO, Leia has to know her real mother. The exchange from ROTJ seems pretty ridiculous if all Leia was referring to was Bail Organa's wife, whom we never really get to know. ROTJ seems to be saying that Leia was raised by her real mother for some period of time (not 2 seconds before she died!), whereas Luke was removed right away. 2) Yoda should be Obi Wan's primary instructor, as ghost Obi Wan implied to Luke in ESB. 3) The things that Obi Wan told Luke at his home in ANH shouldn't be all completely made up, as the prequels seem to imply. Meaning: a) Anakin gave Obi Wan his lightsaber to give to Luke; b) Anakin and Owen had enough of a relationship that Owen didn't approve of Anakin "getting involved" in the Clone Wars; OK, hopefully that's enough to get you started. What other things from the classic trilogy need to be tied up in a reinvention of the prequels? What would the story arc of the new prequels look like? Would it start with Anakin being older? Would the Clone Wars begin sooner than the end of the second episode (and actually take up more screen time)? Thanks for your thoughts!
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Jedi76 Registered: Mar '02	Date Posted: 7/1 2:55pm Subject: Remaking/Reinventing the Prequels? - Date Edited: 7/1 7:23pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Dark_Jedi_Kenobi
	Well lets see if I can help you resolve your problems with the pt (wich isnt perfect I grant u but good as is but has some minor things wrong) 1. Leia remembers her mom through the force or I am sure thats what she was told of her mother 2. Yoda did Train Obi Wan I am sure when he was a youngling but then asigned to Qui Gon just as Qui Gon was first mentored by Yoda before being asigned to Dooku 3. As far as Obi Wan holding the truth to Luke he felt he had to because had Luke learned the truth he would have done something wrekless like his dad and would have been killed without question since at that time he wasnt ready for the burden of being son of the chosen one 4. Here is the one point I agree with you on that Anakin and Lars dont have enough time to have a relashonship but who knows maybe in the tv series they can explain this better 5. Luke getting Anakin's saber my thoughts on this are deep down I think Anakin would have wanted Luke to have it follow in his footsteps. Honestly the only things I would change maybe would be Eppisode 2 as Eppisode 1 so you can see more of the purge and more of the Empire wreaking havoc. Also then you could have Obi Wan Lars have thier confrentaion since it is apparent they have met before but belive diffrent things for Luke and his upbringing DJK edit: No need to quote a long message if it's right above your own. -----signature----- "I have alot of good ideas trouble is most of them Suck" George Carlin Never I'll never turn to the Darkside Never Tell me The Odds Why Do I get the Feeling your going to be the Death of me? Is that the best you can do you Pansies? Marv Sin City
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MasterLee Registered: Jul '09	Date Posted: 7/1 3:15pm Subject: Remaking/Reinventing the Prequels?
	My biggest problem was how they had to tie up a bunch of loose ends at the end of three to coordinate with the original three. These bothered me the most. 1 - Yoda self-banishing himself to a remote planet never made much sense. He should have been leading a resistance against the empire. 2 - The death of Padme (sp?) just never made sense either. She would never have given up on her children. -----signature----- “Aren’t you a little short for a stormtrooper?” http://www.absorbentprinting.com/
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Obi-Chron Registered: Nov '03	Date Posted: 7/1 6:25pm Subject: Remaking/Reinventing the Prequels? - Date Edited: 7/1 6:33pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Obi-Chron
	Ya know that old saying when you are taking a test: "Your first choice is usually the best one?" In TPM Lucas had Kenobi already knighted and going to Tatooine with Padme as the lone Jedi, where he discovers Anakin. We do not meet Qui-Gon until the council scene. I think this flows better with what Kenobi tells Luke in ANH. Also in TPM, I'd have Maul live after killing Jinn, and Kenobi would be left hanging by his fingers as Maul flees an oncoming platoon of Naboo security forces or a few more Jedi. In AOTC, I would focus on the Clone Wars and marginalize the Padme/Anakin relationship, having their sparing scenes used to show a growing affection. Anakin would be a Jedi. I would have Maul responsible for the capture and death of Shmi, and Anakin being made very aware of that information. Dooku would still have left the order, becoming a dark Jedi who still commands the droid army. I'd end AOTC with the kidnapping of Palpatine by Dooku, after Maul cuts off Anakin's hand. In ROTS, I would start the same, with the rescue of Palpatine, with Kenobi killing Dooku (his master's master) and Anakin rescuing Palpatine by killing Maul, who BTW cut off his hand AND killed his mother. Anakin thus gets some major 'revenge.' Anakin is now a Clone War hero, and he easily wins Padme and the two run off to secretly marry. She soon shows signs of pregnancy and retreats to Naboo to protect her career and Anakin's Jedi order status. Anakin falls deeper under Palpatine's spell with Padme gone, yearning for more and more power. As the Clone Wars come to a close, Palpatine spins his Plagueis yarn at the opera, winning Anakin over without Skywalker even fully realizing it. As the Jedi push Palpatine to relinquish his emergency powers, Palps closes the deal with Anakin and admits he is a Sith. Instead of turning the Chancellor in, Anakin fully believes Palpatine's accusation that the Jedi are corrupt (due to his own experiences with Mace and Yoda) and asks to become his apprentice. Still seated on the council, Anakin then reports back to Palpatine on every move the Jedi make. It is Anakin who suggests Kenobi go after Grievous in order to get Obi-Wan out of the picture for what will soon follow. Finally, at Palpatine's cue, Anakin tells the council that the Chancellor is a Sith. The Jedi plan their arrest, while Anakin heads to Palpatine's office to back him up just before the Jedi arrive. The posse show up, Palpatine defeats them, scarred as in the released film, only Anakin has no angst in cutting off Mace's hand, doing so with complete glee. Mustafar plays out with Anakin killing the Separatist leaders, and Kenobi tracking him there while Yoda confronts Palpatine. These end up as in the films, without Padme on Mustafar. She is in fear for her own life now, and decides she must remain in hiding, but not on Naboo. As the birth of the twins nears, she fakes her own death and funeral. Anakin is taken to Coruscant for reconstruction, as this happens as in the films. Padme is whisked away by Bail and gives birth to the twins. Closing montage: Kenobi meets with Padme to tell her of Anakin's fate. He then takes Luke from Padme with her approval and heads off to Tatooine to hand Luke over to Owen and Beru. Leia and Padme stay with the Organas. We leave her sobbing with Leia nestled in her arms, tears dripping onto the newborn's tiny pink face. Yoda settles on Dagobah for the long haul. The very last scene of the closing montage -- the birth of Vader, with the helmet coming down on his horribly charred face, fading to black with Vader's very first breath. -----signature----- “The dark night of the soul comes just before revelation." ~ Joseph Campbell “It is by going down into the abyss that we recover the treasure of The Phantom Menace..." ~ SithStarSlayer
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OK421 Registered: Jul '09	Date Posted: 7/1 6:54pm Subject: Remaking/Reinventing the Prequels?
	Nice suggestions, all! Though I'm still very interested in revisionings of the prequel trilogy that go in a completely different direction from the way the prequels turned out. That is, you don't have to have characters like Qui Gon, Shmi, Dooku, whoever. You don't have to have the new prequels have anything to do with the prequels as they turned out. You have complete freedom to start from scratch! What would you do? To put things another way, what sorts of ideas did you have about the way a prequel trilogy would go before George Lucas ever announced that he was making them? Having only the original trilogy to go on, how else could the prequels have ended up?
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ShaneP Title: Lucasfilm Projects Gremlin(Manager ) Registered: Mar '01	Date Posted: 7/2 5:20pm Subject: Remaking/Reinventing the Prequels? - Date Edited: 7/2 5:22pm (1 edits total) Edited By: ShaneP
	Okay, I'll play. Before the PT I thought we might see an army of Boba Fetts fighting the republic. I thought wed see how Anakin turned to the dark side. I thought we would see Luke's mom. It wasn't very specific though. I did think the Clone Wars would get more coverage though. -----signature----- Keep Your Words Sweet. You May Have To Eat Them.
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anakin_girl Title: Founding Member & Retired FF CR Charlotte , NC Registered: Oct '00	Date Posted: 7/2 8:19pm Subject: Remaking/Reinventing the Prequels? - Date Edited: 7/2 8:21pm (1 edits total) Edited By: anakin_girl
	Good suggestions. We definitely need more consistency with the OT. Yoda would have trained Obi-Wan; we would have seen it on screen or at least known about it. Anakin and Padme would have spent more time together, maybe even grown up together (or grown up knowing each other), been friends and then fallen in love. None of this meeting when he was nine, not seeing her for ten years and behaving like she's been on his mind the entire time. I like the love story, I never thought it was "creepy" at all, but I would still love to restructure the story so that no one else got that vibe either. More of Anakin and Obi-Wan's friendship, less of Obi-Wan telling Anakin what to do and Anakin whining about it. More joking around (and not at each other's expense necessarily), more of Anakin confiding in Obi-Wan, more that looks like they are best friends. So that the "he was a good friend" line from ANH falls less flat. And for the love of all that is Jedi, a different death scenario for Padme. Like someone already mentioned, she would never give up on her children. She may be madly in love with Anakin, and I believe that she was, but she would not lose the will to live over his decision to destroy himself. It's not in her character, and certainly not in her daughter's character. And yes, Leia needs to really remember her. At the risk of getting flamed, I still thought it was out of character for Anakin to kill his pregnant wife and a room full of Jedi Younglings--even Anakin as Darth Vader. In the OT, he killed soldiers and tortured Han and Chewie, but he never hurt a woman or a child, aside from the sin of omission of standing aside while Tarkin blew up Alderaan. I would definitely not have those two scenes in the PT; they seemed to be in there for the effect of "What is the most evil thing that we can have Anakin do so that everyone knows he's on the Dark Side?" They weren't necessary at all, and completely ruined ROTS for me. I think the dilemma of Anakin wanting to save Padme from death was a good one, but I might have her at risk of dying from some natural cause, and one that Anakin knew about--not one he dreamed about. But no Younglings dying. Other changes: I would have included Han and Lando in some way, even if it meant we saw them as children or teenagers. I would have included the planet Corellia. No Grievous. He was totally unnecessary, and seemed as if Lucas was trying to make a character who could set a record for number of lightsabers wielded at once. As someone mentioned already, more of a relationship between Anakin and Owen, maybe a scene in which Owen tries to convince Anakin to stay on Tatooine with them instead of going back to fight the Clone Wars with Obi-Wan. A scene in which Anakin gives Obi-Wan his lightsaber and asks him to hold it for Luke. Oh yeah, and no midichlorians. -----signature----- Room 225, the Geriatric Ward Alternate ending to ROTS: "Chancellor, you're full of crap. This opera sucks. I'm going home to my wife."
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Darthbane2007 Registered: Oct '07	Date Posted: 7/3 6:35am Subject: Remaking/Reinventing the Prequels?
	I would pretty much keep things the same, but: 1. Darth Maul would have more lines and speaking parts, basically taunting Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan during their duels. He also survives at the end of TEM, and STAYS as the primary sith baddie for the prequel trilogy. 2. Dooku would still be in, but pretty much the same role, just without the force powers. He'll be some illusioned senator who thinks the republic has become corrupt. 3. Padme would be the DAUGHTER of queen amidala who's age has been bumped up to early 30's. Never saw how they elect a 14 year old to run an entire planet. Also if possible, i'd lower Padme's age to be no more than 2-3 years aboue anakin's. 4. Obi-Wan would be the bratty jerk he was in TPM. He should be the one instead of Qui-Gon who goes to Tatooine, finds anakin, and watches his podrace. He'll then be amazed at his podracing abilities that he'll start to have conversation with anakin during the rest of TPM, setting up their friendship down the road. All I can think of right now...
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NelanisGhost Registered: Jun '06	Date Posted: 7/4 10:06pm Subject: Remaking/Reinventing the Prequels? - Date Edited: 7/4 10:14pm (1 edits total) Edited By: NelanisGhost
	anakin_girl posted: Good suggestions. We definitely need more consistency with the OT. Yoda would have trained Obi-Wan; we would have seen it on screen or at least known about it. Anakin and Padme would have spent more time together, maybe even grown up together (or grown up knowing each other), been friends and then fallen in love. None of this meeting when he was nine, not seeing her for ten years and behaving like she's been on his mind the entire time. I like the love story, I never thought it was "creepy" at all, but I would still love to restructure the story so that no one else got that vibe either. More of Anakin and Obi-Wan's friendship, less of Obi-Wan telling Anakin what to do and Anakin whining about it. More joking around (and not at each other's expense necessarily), more of Anakin confiding in Obi-Wan, more that looks like they are best friends. So that the "he was a good friend" line from ANH falls less flat. And for the love of all that is Jedi, a different death scenario for Padme. Like someone already mentioned, she would never give up on her children. She may be madly in love with Anakin, and I believe that she was, but she would not lose the will to live over his decision to destroy himself. It's not in her character, and certainly not in her daughter's character. And yes, Leia needs to really remember her. At the risk of getting flamed, I still thought it was out of character for Anakin to kill his pregnant wife and a room full of Jedi Younglings--even Anakin as Darth Vader. In the OT, he killed soldiers and tortured Han and Chewie, but he never hurt a woman or a child, aside from the sin of omission of standing aside while Tarkin blew up Alderaan. I would definitely not have those two scenes in the PT; they seemed to be in there for the effect of "What is the most evil thing that we can have Anakin do so that everyone knows he's on the Dark Side?" They weren't necessary at all, and completely ruined ROTS for me. I think the dilemma of Anakin wanting to save Padme from death was a good one, but I might have her at risk of dying from some natural cause, and one that Anakin knew about--not one he dreamed about. But no Younglings dying. Other changes: I would have included Han and Lando in some way, even if it meant we saw them as children or teenagers. I would have included the planet Corellia. No Grievous. He was totally unnecessary, and seemed as if Lucas was trying to make a character who could set a record for number of lightsabers wielded at once. As someone mentioned already, more of a relationship between Anakin and Owen, maybe a scene in which Owen tries to convince Anakin to stay on Tatooine with them instead of going back to fight the Clone Wars with Obi-Wan. A scene in which Anakin gives Obi-Wan his lightsaber and asks him to hold it for Luke. Oh yeah, and no midichlorians. We're on the same wavelength. I think Anakin and Padme could have been fixed so easily. Something like, "Padme, you don't know how much your letters meant to me over the years. You kept my spirits up when things were hard. " Then his ardor would have made more sense. Obi-wan and Anakin should have and DID have a good relationship in the Jedi Quest books. It made it look like back pedaling to have Obi-wan treat him like a child. Though in ROTJ, he really didn't. He was a sympathetic friend. Padme's plight would have been more poignant, if Obi-wan could drive home how Palpatine would never stop looking for her, or Vader. After children are taken, she takes her life to protect them. More like something Padme would do. I also hated that Anakin killed the younglings, even though leading the army is really the same thing. I wish it would have been more "It's them or Padme. Who's more important to you?" I can see that he'd be mad at Padme, but a backhanded slap would have had the same devastating effect and since he didn't kill her why have it there? Since Obi-wan didn't know about Luke (he wasn't born yet at the time of the duel, another throw away line could have been tossed in. "If anything ever happens to me, make sure a worthy apprentice gets this." -----signature----- If there's a bright center of the galaxy, you're on the planet it's farthest from: Earth Our own stunning bright center: http://astrosurf.com/sguisard/Pagim/GC.html Barnes and Noble: TFU hardcover. Nice! $5.98 in discount section.....
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Jedi_Keiran_Halcyon Registered: Dec '00	Date Posted: 7/5 12:18am Subject: Remaking/Reinventing the Prequels?
	OK421 posted: Though I'm still very interested in revisionings of the prequel trilogy that go in a completely different direction from the way the prequels turned out. Here's one for you: having the prequels not stretch so far back in time. Make the entire six-episode saga about the rebels vs. empire war. In Episode I the Empire is completely in control; there is no Rebellion. Five, maybe ten years before SW. We see Bail Organa, Mon Mothma, and others begin to develop the resistance. Episode II is a few years later. The rebellion is spreading, but the Empire is set on hunting them down. At the film's conclusion the rebels suffer a crushing defeat. Episode III is the recovery, leading up to the mission to steal the Death Star plans. The film concludes with that bittersweet victory, as they get the plans away to the Princess. An unorthodox PT, to be sure, but in my mind the only one that makes a cohesive six-film story as well as preserving the suspense and revelations of the OT. -----signature----- Personally if treating homosexuals with respect and dignity is the definition of 'anti-Christian' then I hope that Obama is the friggin' anti-Christ. - FIDo
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Darth-Seldon Registered: May '03	Date Posted: 7/5 3:35pm Subject: Remaking/Reinventing the Prequels?
	My idea is a re-structure that would hopefully better bridge the two trilogies. The basic idea is to merge the TPM and AOTC, have a revised ROTS serve as Episode II, and then the creation of a totally new Episode III. I would have Anakin turn in the second act and thus change the story arc. The new condensed and slightly longer Episode I would maintain most of the TPM story and action. It would just feature the exposition on the clones. I'm not really sure how this would fit in...when the council sends Qui-Gonn back to Naboo, they would dispatch Obi-Wan to investigate the clone army. Greater attention would focus on the Anakin-Padme relationship. Anakin would be a few years older as well. The new Episode II would more or less be the current Revenge of the Sith. The whole love story/secret marriage would have taken place off-screen between the two films. This second film would focus on Anakin's turn, Order 66, and the downfall of the Republic. With very few changes, this would be Episode II: Revenge of the Sith. The major change would be that I wouldn't kill Padme off during child birth. That detail always seemed lazy story-telling to me. Anakin will simply think she's dead through a lie by Palpatine (it echoes the Emperor's claim in ROTJ that Luke's friends will soon be dead.) The second major alteration is that the Vader suit wouldn't exist yet...Obi-Wan would narrowly escape and Anakin would be left relatively unharmed. This final duel won't take place on a larva planet... This film will end with Luke, Leia and Yoda all going into hiding. Finally, the new Episode III would really be more of a bridge between the trilogies (I personally think there is an interesting story to tell here.) Palapatine and Vader would be consolidating power and Padme with Bail Organa would be building support for the Rebel Alliance. Beyond the origins of the alliance, there would also be skirmishes between Organa and Vader. This would end with a climatic scene where Vader destroys the ship carrying Padme. He would be oblivious to the fact that she was on it (thinking she had died in Episode II.) Obi-Wan will attempt to save Anakin and this is when the'll have the larva duel that will end with Anakin being burned and placed in the Vader suit. This would give depth to the ROTJ Vader line "Obi-Wan once thought as you did..." Motivated by guilt, Kenobi would attempt to rescue his old friend but fail miserably and almost die. This film wouldn't feature Luke or Yoda at all. Leia would probably be seen in a cameo (still as an infant) on Alderaan. -----signature----- Isaac Asimov was an innovative genius All posters are equal but some posters are more equal than others. JOE BIDEN 2012
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ShaneP Title: Lucasfilm Projects Gremlin(Manager ) Registered: Mar '01	Date Posted: 7/6 10:31am Subject: Remaking/Reinventing the Prequels?
	Darth Seldon The new condensed and slightly longer Episode I would maintain most of the TPM story and action. It would just feature the exposition on the clones. I'm not really sure how this would fit in...when the council sends Qui-Gonn back to Naboo, they would dispatch Obi-Wan to investigate the clone army. Greater attention would focus on the Anakin-Padme relationship. Anakin would be a few years older as well. I've always loved this idea. Do you remember Vortigern's thread here about merging TPM and AOTC into one film? It can be done. -----signature----- Keep Your Words Sweet. You May Have To Eat Them.
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Game3525 Registered: Jun '08	Date Posted: 7/12 8:35am Subject: Remaking/Reinventing the Prequels? - Date Edited: 7/12 8:37am (1 edits total) Edited By: Game3525
	Episode I-Story remains mostly the same, although Anakin would be 12 instead of 9 and I would scrap the whole "Chosen one" prophecy and the midchlorians concept. Anakin's father would have died when he was younger, Shimi would have already been married to Cliegg and they are mositure farmers. Obi-Wan would have been the one too discover Skywalker, and this would explain why Owen dislikes him. I would also add in Dooku meeting with Sidious for the first time in the end. Episode II-Skywalker is a Jedi Knight and the story remains the same. Episode III-No big changes. -----signature----- Skywalker and Kenobi: The team "Some men see things as they are and say why? I dream things that never were and say what not." -Bobby Kennedy
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G-FETT Registered: Aug '01	Date Posted: 7/12 3:21pm Subject: Remaking/Reinventing the Prequels? - Date Edited: 7/12 3:24pm (1 edits total) Edited By: G-FETT
	I actually like the overall story of the PT. I wouldn't change the general story arc at all really. The changes I'd make would be to TPM mainly. I'd have an older Anakin, say 13-14. I've never understood Lucas's reasoning that a 9 year old would be effected by leaving his mother more than a 14 year old. The advantage of doing that would be that you'd be able to have an instant attraction between Anakin and Padme and you could begin their romance in the first movie. The other main issue I'd change about TPM is that I'd have Obi-Wan be the Jedi that discovers and champions Anakin. Qui-Gon would be the Anakin skeptic. His dying moment would be to urge Obi-Wan NOT to train Anakin, and Obi-Wan would express his first doubts to Yoda in the scene on Naboo, but by then it'd be too late as the Council would have decided Anakin is to be trained. The advantage of both these changes would be that it's get the two central relationships, that of Anakin and Padme and Anakin and Obi-Wan started much more strongly in the first act, rather than doing it all in the second act and it all seeming a bit forced? -----signature----- I felt a great disturbance in the force. As if millions of voices suddenly cried out in terror. Then were suddenly silenced.
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PrincessKenobi Title: Ninja Manager of the JCC Registered: Aug '00	Date Posted: 7/12 4:19pm Subject: Remaking/Reinventing the Prequels?
	For me I have to agree with making Anakin a bit older then 9. But other then that, here isn't much I would change about TPM. Now AOTC the movie I love to hate so much. I would change that the Clone Wars had already been going on. For quite awhile by the time the movie starts. And that it focuses on Anakin's rise to power and how quickly it was but focus also on how he wasn't going nearly as fast as he wanted in the Jedi Order. Then you could have the love story in the background. Rots is pretty much fine how it is. Other then it needed more Grevious. -----signature----- I'm the Craziest Girl On the JC!! Everybody loves me!!! Princess Shiny of the JCC Shiny Council http://www.freewebs.com/shinycouncil/ Master Beehived Chanteuse Beardi Knight House Leader of Gryffindork. I <3 You JCC Hat
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Dark_Jedi_Kenobi Title: Manager: • Prequel Trilogy Registered: Oct '04	Date Posted: 7/13 8:18am Subject: Remaking/Reinventing the Prequels?
	I've said this before and I'll say it again. I would have made AOTC the first film, and made a Clone Wars-centric film as the second in the trilogy. Then finish the PT with ROTS.
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