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SithStarSlayer Registered: Oct '03	Date Posted: 2/22/07 3:24pm Subject: RE: Midichlorians Discussion - The Official Thread
	Midichlorians should have suffered the same merciful fate as the Kyber crystal. An idea better left, ONLY for the EU to explore. I just love the idea that OT Vader is now such a wuss because his inter-galactic-bacteria count is lower than it was back in 1977... In the famous words of the Tee-Vee Commercial: "BRILLIANT!!" -----signature----- Lucas didn't ruin my childhood but he sure wrecked Vader's ^^Foolish men mistake transitory semblance 4 eternal fact^^ o[]\|\|]ooooooooo[0]\|\|[]{ Gal: 5:19-21 Philippians 2:9-11
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Arawn_Fenn Registered: Jul '04	Date Posted: 2/22/07 4:17pm Subject: RE: Midichlorians Discussion - The Official Thread
	Sinnion posted: I just don't look to much into it. Midichlorians were probably just an idea to explain the need for scientific grasp on things in the now 21st Century. It was simply an excuse to explain what the force is to a new audience thats all. It's said in one scene then dropped the rest of the Saga. Uh... not quite. They are mentioned in at least 3 scenes in TPM and then mentioned again in ROTS. They explain why the Force is strong in the Skywalker family. For years, however, the EU assumed that the Force generally ran in hereditary fashion. At this point, it could be said that the films only show this to be true for the Skywalkers. -----signature----- "James T. Kirk was a great man... but that was another life."
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Sinnion Registered: Sep '06	Date Posted: 2/22/07 4:21pm Subject: RE: Midichlorians Discussion - The Official Thread - Date Edited: 2/22/07 4:48pm (2 edits total) Edited By: Sinnion
	I guess I missed it in ROTS. EDIT: I take that back, Palpatine clearly say's this. But yes from what I know it's said briefly in two scenes in TPM just as an excuse to catch the audience up on why exactly Jedi's can do what they do.
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Arawn_Fenn Registered: Jul '04	Date Posted: 2/22/07 4:33pm Subject: RE: Midichlorians Discussion - The Official Thread
	darth-sinister posted: Anakin still doesn't have all the Midichlorians per cell following the battle on Mustafar, as he did before then. This is insane. So, when an organism comes into contact with lava, 4000+ midis drain out of each remaining cell? The problem here is that Lucas made a careless statement in an early 2005 interview. I don't know what was going through his mind, so I can't really speculate. Perhaps he was trying to be funny. I think it is relevant that in later interviews the same year, after the release of ROTS, Lucas' statements are more carefully worded. At this point it's something like "Obi-Wan screwed that up by cutting off his arms and legs and burning him up." No mention of the midichlorians. Damage control. The whole episode tends to imply that much about TPM was forgotten in the run-up to ROTS, but then again, we already knew that, because of the implication of Sidious creating Anakin. -----signature----- "James T. Kirk was a great man... but that was another life."
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Chi_of_Force Registered: Feb '07	Date Posted: 2/22/07 4:39pm Subject: RE: Midichlorians Discussion - The Official Thread
	Midis exist, of course, in order to easily show that Anakin is the Chosen One to us, the audience, and the other characters. It's an easy to measure proof, no debate necessary. Add in a possible Virgin Birth (TM) and we've got the foundation of our story easily laid out. Lucas certainly does not dwell on the subject however, and with the strong resemblence to mitochondria, I can roll with the concept. -----signature----- "Always remember: Your focus determines your reality."
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LordVader66 Registered: Aug '05	Date Posted: 2/22/07 4:53pm Subject: RE: Midichlorians Discussion - The Official Thread
	Arawn_Fenn posted: darth-sinister posted: Anakin still doesn't have all the Midichlorians per cell following the battle on Mustafar, as he did before then. This is insane. So, when an organism comes into contact with lava, 4000+ midis drain out of each remaining cell? The problem here is that Lucas made a careless statement in an early 2005 interview. I don't know what was going through his mind, so I can't really speculate. Perhaps he was trying to be funny. I think it is relevant that in later interviews the same year, after the release of ROTS, Lucas' statements are more carefully worded. At this point it's something like "Obi-Wan screwed that up by cutting off his arms and legs and burning him up." No mention of the midichlorians. Damage control. The whole episode tends to imply that much about TPM was forgotten in the run-up to ROTS, but then again, we already knew that, because of the implication of Sidious creating Anakin. I agree here. Lucas obviously knew that Vader was going to be cut up in RotS, so why emphasize the 20,000 in TPM? Why not have Obiwan say something like, "Wow, over 50 trillion! Even Master Yoda doesn't have that many!" So it would make, much more sense after Vader got cut up because he went from like 50 trillion to 30 trillion. But Vader still has the same connection to the Force. The question now becomes, at what point have you lost so many cells that your connection to the Force is weakened? Anakin lost a limb in AotC, and by all accounts, he Force potentail wasn't curbed. -----signature----- Peace in the Middle East
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Arawn_Fenn Registered: Jul '04	Date Posted: 2/22/07 5:18pm Subject: RE: Midichlorians Discussion - The Official Thread
	On a related note, Amazon now recommends I buy the NEC. You got about as much chance of seeing God. -----signature----- "James T. Kirk was a great man... but that was another life."
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hero_of_canton Registered: Feb '07	Date Posted: 2/22/07 6:05pm Subject: RE: Midichlorians Discussion - The Official Thread
	i see it as an attempt to quantify to the audience how great Anakin is, nothing more if Qui-gon finds him and says "hey its the chosen one" we would all be like "yeah Yoda could still take him", or "he doesnt look that great to me". no different from the pod racing, when Qui-gon mentions how no human can manage that, again with the battle in space at the end. all 3 were attempts to sell us on the kids ability(and pretty insulting attempts if u ask me). there is a great episode of Futurama with the "Single Female Lawyer" show, and Fry mentions how sudden plot twists and changes make us feel confused and stupid. i liken this to that, large movie going audiences need to be spoonfed information, no matter how intelligent any of you are, theres 3 people in the row in front of you that dont get it. on a side note: Evil alien:"we are looking for Mcneil, she is a single female lawyer struggling to succeed in a mans world"...Zap Branigan:"maybe thats just her excuse for being incompetant" -----signature----- How am I supposed to see anything with the blast shield down! They make a psychiatrist get psycoanalyzed before he can get certified, but they don't make a doctor get cut on...that seem right to you?
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voodoopuuduu Title: Classic Trilogy Trivia Host Registered: Mar '04	Date Posted: 2/22/07 6:11pm Subject: RE: Midichlorians Discussion - The Official Thread
	I agree here. Lucas obviously knew that Vader was going to be cut up in RotS, so why emphasize the 20,000 in TPM? Why not have Obiwan say something like, "Wow, over 50 trillion! Even Master Yoda doesn't have that many!" Just to clarify, Obi-Wan does say its off the charts, so I take it to mean 20,000 is as far as the dash board needle goes. QUI-GON : (Cont'd) Obi-Wan... OBI-WAN : Yes, Master. QUI-GON : Make an analysis of this blood sample I'm sending you. OBI-WAN : Wait a minute... QUI-GON : I need a midi-chlorian count. OBI-WAN : All right. I've got it. QUI-GON : What are your readings? OBI-WAN : Something must be wrong with the transmission. QUI-GON : Here's a signal check. OBI-WAN : Strange. The transmission seems to be in good order, but the reading's off the chart...over twenty thousand. QUI-GON : (almost to himself) That's it then. OBI-WAN : Even Master Yoda doesn't have a midi-chlorian count that high! QUI-GON : No Jedi has. OBI-WAN : What does it mean? QUI-GON : I'm not sure. Maybe Lucas would have been better off explaining the post Mustafar Vader is weaker because midichlorians cant stand high heat and die, like some viruses do. -----signature----- Winner CT Trivia Challenge 44, 54 Winner PT Trivia Challenge 10 , 13, 14, 17 Joint-Winner CT Challenge 49 and 50, PT Challange 18
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SithStarSlayer Registered: Oct '03	Date Posted: 2/22/07 6:12pm Subject: RE: Midichlorians Discussion - The Official Thread
	There was no OS explanation for anyone to gain or lose midichlorians through osmosis. He lost the limbs, and midi's inside those severed limbs got burned up and went bye-bye. The charred and stumped-out-torso still had 20,000 midi's per cell, he was just... well, stumped-out. -----signature----- Lucas didn't ruin my childhood but he sure wrecked Vader's ^^Foolish men mistake transitory semblance 4 eternal fact^^ o[]\|\|]ooooooooo[0]\|\|[]{ Gal: 5:19-21 Philippians 2:9-11
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Sinnion Registered: Sep '06	Date Posted: 2/22/07 7:43pm Subject: RE: Midichlorians Discussion - The Official Thread - Date Edited: 2/22/07 8:13pm (2 edits total) Edited By: Sinnion
	How about this: Midichlorians are as mysterious as the force itself. In truth no one knows how they truly work and exist, but one can study them to gain greater knowledge of them. Because really something thats natural can't create a whole other spiritual realm can it? Thats why they are mysterious beings. So when people say Star Wars and the force was reduced to a stupid scientific explanation, then I have to say it wasn't, considering we still have no idea, nor do the characters really understand, Midichlorians. They have thier theories(Palpatine and his life creation, the Jedi and thier beliefs), but really Midichlorians are just as Mysterious as the Force ever was. Yoda had it right by simply leaving them all out of the equation. So whether you take Midi's to be a real concept or not(like any other religious belief), it doesn't really change the concept of the force.
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Arawn_Fenn Registered: Jul '04	Date Posted: 2/22/07 8:02pm Subject: RE: Midichlorians Discussion - The Official Thread
	The concept of Vader losing power in the Force due to Mustafar seems to have originated in 2005, on the eve of ROTS. However, I see no reason ( other than one of several possible interpretations of Lucas' comments ) to assume this is even true. We all knew what was going to happen to Anakin for a long time, but this idea was originally not a part of it. In a 2003 issue of Insider, the issue of OT Anakin vs. PT Anakin was brought up ( in Pablo's Q+A section ). Notably, at that point in time, the difference is portrayed as an issue of agility and lightsaber fighting skill. A loss of power in the Force is not mentioned at all. I accept that his previously unlimited potential was lessened and he could no longer expect to become stronger than Palpatine. -----signature----- "James T. Kirk was a great man... but that was another life."
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voodoopuuduu Title: Classic Trilogy Trivia Host Registered: Mar '04	Date Posted: 2/23/07 10:03am Subject: RE: Midichlorians Discussion - The Official Thread
	We all knew what was going to happen to Anakin for a long time, but this idea was originally not a part of it. In a 2003 issue of Insider, the issue of OT Anakin vs. PT Anakin was brought up ( in Pablo's Q+A section ). Notably, at that point in time, the difference is portrayed as an issue of agility and lightsaber fighting skill. A loss of power in the Force is not mentioned at all. GL should have left it at that. -----signature----- Winner CT Trivia Challenge 44, 54 Winner PT Trivia Challenge 10 , 13, 14, 17 Joint-Winner CT Challenge 49 and 50, PT Challange 18
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Strilo Title: Manager: • Music • Prequel Trilogy Registered: Aug '01	Date Posted: 2/23/07 11:49am Subject: RE: Midichlorians Discussion - The Official Thread
	So we've had to ignore or disregard things that Lucas and others have said before. Why is this comment so tough to ignore? I pretty much watch what is in the films. If Lucas doesn't say it in the films, then... well it's a second tier piece of info that I can either choose to accept or reject. -----signature----- #1 on iTunes Most Played: The Killers "Human" #1 on iTunes Most Played Scores: Fellowship of the Ring "Bilbo's Ring" ---------- They will not force us. They will stop degrading us. They will not control us. We will be victorious.
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Rossa83 Registered: Sep '05	Date Posted: 2/23/07 12:48pm Subject: RE: Midichlorians Discussion - The Official Thread
	Strilo posted: So we've had to ignore or disregard things that Lucas and others have said before. Why is this comment so tough to ignore? I pretty much watch what is in the films. If Lucas doesn't say it in the films, then... well it's a second tier piece of info that I can either choose to accept or reject. Shouldn't the question rather be: can we ignore some quotes and trust others? It have to be all or nothing doesn't it. He included the midichlorians, and he has to live with them. I think it could have been a great idea - but he didn't follow through!
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