SithStarSlayer posted:Right on point Rossa! The Dark Lord Novel states that a Sith Lord's truest power resides in their will. I like that idea a whole lot more than counting energizer-bunny-mitochondria!
voodoopuuduu posted:But he WOULD lose 30% of his potential power...If you lose cells, you lose midis. 70% of the original would still have to be more than 2X Yoda. YODA: Size matters not. Look at me. Judge me by my size, do you? Hm? SithStarSlayer posted:Right on point Rossa! The Dark Lord Novel states that a Sith Lord's truest power resides in their will. I like that idea a whole lot more than counting energizer-bunny-mitochondria! Yeah, plus it would somewhat tie into the Padme lost the will to live scenario.
voodoopuuduu posted:We all knew what was going to happen to Anakin for a long time, but this idea was originally not a part of it. In a 2003 issue of Insider, the issue of OT Anakin vs. PT Anakin was brought up ( in Pablo's Q+A section ). Notably, at that point in time, the difference is portrayed as an issue of agility and lightsaber fighting skill. A loss of power in the Force is not mentioned at all. GL should have left it at that.
Rossa83 posted:Anakin had, according to Lucas, 200% of Palpatine's power. He lost approximately 30% of his body mass on mustfar, but surprise surprise, he is in the OT only 80% of Palpatine's power. He should still be above Palpatine in terms of power after Mustafar - 140-150% or so Lucas talked himself away from the Midchlorian explanation by quoting the 80%, which sounds about accurate from the movies...
voodoopuuduu posted:[b]We all knew what was going to happen to Anakin for a long time, but this idea was originally not a part of it. In a 2003 issue of Insider, the issue of OT Anakin vs. PT Anakin was brought up ( in Pablo's Q+A section ). Notably, at that point in time, the difference is portrayed as an issue of agility and lightsaber fighting skill. A loss of power in the Force is not mentioned at all.
Arawn_Fenn posted:I'm looking at Mustafar as an issue of level limitation ( to put it in video game or RPG terms ) and not an issue of lost power in the Force.
Arawn_Fenn posted:There is a good reason for this level limitation to exist! Anakin being the Chosen One begs the question of why Anakin did not destroy Sidious sometime between ROTS and ROTJ.
Jedsithor posted: Now then as for the whole Mustafar thing. I always just figured that Vader was had the power, he just didn't have the means to use it. The suit restricted his movements and abilities...it had nothing to do with how strong he was in the Force. After all, throughout ROTS, Anakin had a mechanical arm...so alrady he would have had less power than he should, right? Yet he says his power has doubled since the last time he fought Dooku. Has Anakin suddenly grown a foot taller or something to make up for the loss of midichlorians in his arm? The suit limited his movement in lightsaber combat, but that was it. I believe he had to learn an entirely new form of lightsaber combat to protect his life support on his chest. In Dark Lord, Vader murders a Jedi Master and feels that the suit no longer hinders him due to the power of the dark side. And OT Vader doesn't seem uncomfortable in the thing either. He looks pretty graceful dueling Luke as well. Going by Lucas's defination, I would agree that losing his limb to Dooku was curb some of his potential, but it isn't really mentioned. How many cells do human beings have? millions? I dunno...but Obi-Wan said that Anakin had over 20,000...so lets take that number as a ballpark figure...wouldn't that mean that not every cell had a midichlorian? He could have them in his torso but not in his arms for example...so losing his limbs wouldn't automatically mean that he lost midichlorians and Force ability.
Arawn_Fenn posted:Rossa83 posted:Anakin had, according to Lucas, 200% of Palpatine's power. He lost approximately 30% of his body mass on mustfar, but surprise surprise, he is in the OT only 80% of Palpatine's power. He should still be above Palpatine in terms of power after Mustafar - 140-150% or so Lucas talked himself away from the Midchlorian explanation by quoting the 80%, which sounds about accurate from the movies... I'm looking at Mustafar as an issue of level limitation ( to put it in video game or RPG terms ) and not an issue of lost power in the Force. There is a good reason for this level limitation to exist! Anakin being the Chosen One begs the question of why Anakin did not destroy Sidious sometime between ROTS and ROTJ. Losing a part of your body mass does not affect your midichlorian count. On the other hand, it was never said that a midichlorian count is the sole determinant of strength in the Force. It is implied in TPM that Yoda has a very high midichlorian count, but he is also the character with the greatest amount of years of experience with using the Force.
darth-sinister posted:As I've said, it is about the sum whole of the individual. The more Anakin loses of his physical form, the less his connection is to the Force. Regardless of what is left of his body, it's still not as much as it was. You need every square inch of your body, from being like Yoda to being a Wookiee, in order to reach your full potential. Remove one part and there is a diminishing of the whole.
Darth-Sinister posted:Take the human brain, for example. Fascinating thing, the brain. We know how it functions. But say something happens and you need part of your brain removed. Now depending on the degree of trauma, the brain will ultimately "rewire" itself to compensate for the loss of graymatter. In some cases, you lose certain things that can never be "rewired" properly. If at all. You can still function, depending on the trauma, but there will be noticable differences. Now, with a 100% whole brain, we can be at our peak so to speak. But take some away and there will be some changes. This is kinda like that. Vader can still function as a Sith Lord, but the absence of his limbs and the burns has resulted in a diminishing of potential.
Nordom posted:AS to the concept of the midis, I do not think they worked well in the films and did not add anything much to the films and instead made some things confusing and explained other things that did not need explaining.
Jedsithor posted:"luminous beings are we...not this crude matter" - Master Yoda The problem with the idea of losing power because he lost limbs is that he actually gained power after he lost his right arm in AOTC "my powers have double since last time we met Count."
Nordom posted:But take Luke and Anakin in ESB and AotC respectively, at the end of empire Luke looses a hand and at the end of clones Anakin looses an arm. So by this logic both Luke and Anakin would be diminished in therms of force power. But as we see, both Anakin and Luke are MORE powerfull in the next film, RotS and RotJ so your analogy does not match what we see in the films.
Nordom posted:But take a thing like your appendix, (I hope I got the name right), which can be removed from the body without any ill effects and you will never know it is gone. But for a jedi, the removal of their appendix would mean force diminishment and a loss of power.
Nordom posted:I do not think it was neccesary to make Anakin into this uber jedi, that he has more midis than anyone and he would be more powerfull that anyone. It just muddles things up and then we have GL having to explain that in the suit Anakin is 80% of the emperor and that is why he has not killed Palpatine yet and so on. Why all this? Simply have Anakin as a gifted and unusually strong jedi but not this force god thing and skip the midis. Simply have Qui-Gon being able to sense the force in Anakin and that he is suprised that he feels it so stronlgy from someone that has not been trained. Then with Palpatine you could simply have him say that Plageious used the force to create life and not invlove the midis at all. As for why the force runs in families, that concept worked fine in the OT without any problem and would not be a problem now. Regards Nordom