Rossa83 posted:darth-sinister posted:As I've said, it is about the sum whole of the individual. The more Anakin loses of his physical form, the less his connection is to the Force. Regardless of what is left of his body, it's still not as much as it was. You need every square inch of your body, from being like Yoda to being a Wookiee, in order to reach your full potential. Remove one part and there is a diminishing of the whole. But this simply isn't true Sinister. Re-watch TPM. Qui-Gon clearly states that midis reside in your cells. We're symbiotic with them. As the training evolves, Anakin will learn to listen to them. Then follow Yoda's quote: "we're not this crude matter" (loose quote) Midis reside in the cells as it is explained in the movies. Qui-Gon takes a small drop of blood and gets it analysed, where the analysing machine states that it contains more than 20,000 - surely this can't be a number for the entire body. If it is an estimate, is Anakin the perfect benchmark in terms of body mass for a midi count?
darth-sinister posted:As I've said, it is about the sum whole of the individual. The more Anakin loses of his physical form, the less his connection is to the Force. Regardless of what is left of his body, it's still not as much as it was. You need every square inch of your body, from being like Yoda to being a Wookiee, in order to reach your full potential. Remove one part and there is a diminishing of the whole.
Sinnion posted:You know I don't think body parts had any effect on your ability to connect with the Force. Sure Vader was rusty physically but I think his ability in the force was even stronger by the OT.
darth-sinister posted: No, that had to do with having his spine being with cybernetics. As well as wearing a forty pound suit with a helmet that restricts movement. Vader was never rusty as he killed a number of Jedi following ROTS to before ANH. "Dark Lord: The Rise Of Darth Vader", "Last Of The Jedi", "Purge", "The Dark Times", "In His Image", "The Force Unleashed", "Darth Vader: Extinction" and "Resurrection". So rust was not an issue. His suit and spinal fusion are why. But his power was still not great. He could never become the demigod Palpatine wanted of him. He could never be powerful enough on his own to defeat him. He would always be an inferior product. Damaged goods. A pile of crap on two legs. But Luke could be that.
SithStarSlayer posted:Anakin had 20,000 midichlorians per cell in his head and neck. Anakin had 20,000 midichlorians per cell in his torso. Anakin had 20,000 midichlorians per cell in his left hand and forearm. Anakin had 20,000 midichlorians per cell in his left elbo to torso. (shoulder) Anakin had no right hand and forearm. Anakin had 20,000 midichlorians per cell in his right elbo to torso. (shoulder) Anakin had 20,000 midichlorians per cell in his left foot and shin. Anakin had 20,000 midichlorians per cell in his left knee to torso. (hip) Anakin had 20,000 midichlorians per cell in his right foot and shin. Anakin had 20,000 midichlorians per cell in his right knee to torso. (hip) Add up all of the human parts and Anakin had {{180,000}} out of {{200,000}} potential before Mustafar. (-20,00 for the arm he lost) Vader had no left hand and forearm. -20,0000. Vader had no left foot, shin or knee and was missing some of the thigh. -25,0000. Vader had no right foot, shin or kneeand was missing some of the thigh. -25,000. Vader suffered damage to his skin, lungs etc. -15,000. Vader had {{95,000}} out of his original {{200,000}} potential, the rest were mechanical replacement parts... hence Kenobi being right when he said Vader was more machine than man. But because he still had 20,000 midichlorians per cell in his remaining body parts, his connection to the force would still be higher than the average Jedi. There was just less of Vader to connect to the Force.
Green_Destiny_Sword posted: Of course ultimately, this is all a pretty weatered down, weak explanation for how the Force works. I have no idea why GL went this route. But now that he is done it, we might as well have an accurate discussion based on what "the maker" has written.
LordVader66 posted:I really don't get what your trying to do here.
darth-sinister posted:Sinnion posted:You know I don't think body parts had any effect on your ability to connect with the Force. Sure Vader was rusty physically but I think his ability in the force was even stronger by the OT. No, that had to do with having his spine being with cybernetics. As well as wearing a forty pound suit with a helmet that restricts movement. Vader was never rusty as he killed a number of Jedi following ROTS to before ANH. "Dark Lord: The Rise Of Darth Vader", "Last Of The Jedi", "Purge", "The Dark Times", "In His Image", "The Force Unleashed", "Darth Vader: Extinction" and "Resurrection". So rust was not an issue. His suit and spinal fusion are why. But his power was still not great. He could never become the demigod Palpatine wanted of him. He could never be powerful enough on his own to defeat him. He would always be an inferior product. Damaged goods. A pile of crap on two legs. But Luke could be that.
DarthSinister posted: No, that had to do with having his spine being with cybernetics. As well as wearing a forty pound suit with a helmet that restricts movement. Vader was never rusty as he killed a number of Jedi following ROTS to before ANH. "Dark Lord: The Rise Of Darth Vader", "Last Of The Jedi", "Purge", "The Dark Times", "In His Image", "The Force Unleashed", "Darth Vader: Extinction" and "Resurrection". So rust was not an issue. His suit and spinal fusion are why. But his power was still not great. He could never become the demigod Palpatine wanted of him. He could never be powerful enough on his own to defeat him. He would always be an inferior product. Damaged goods. A pile of crap on two legs. But Luke could be that.
Green_Destiny_Sword posted:none of these mathematical equations even close to making sense. GL screwed the Force up for good with the midis. It's obvious. The 20,000 number was dumb. Even if Anakin lost a limb, he should still be more powerful than any Jedi ever.
darth-sinister posted:No, but if Palpatine ****** up Yoda the way Obi-wan did to Anakin, he'd be in the same boat. BTW, the Midichlorians are a measure of power as indicated by Obi-wan's comments to Qui-gon. OBI-WAN: "Wait a minute..." QUI-GON: "I need a midi-chlorian count." OBI-WAN: "All right. I've got it." QUI-GON: "What are your readings?" OBI-WAN: "The reading's off the chart... over twenty thousand." QUI-GON: "That's it then." OBI-WAN: "Even Master Yoda doesn't have a Midichlorian count that high!" QUI-GON: "No Jedi has." OBI-WAN: "What does it mean?" QUI-GON: "I'm not sure." Yoda is the measure by which all the Jedi are measured in terms of power. This comes back around in that throughout the PT and into the OT, Anakin is talked about as being a powerful Jedi. Palpatine speaks of Anakin being more powerful than Yoda and Obi-wan telling Anakin that he would rival Yoda, if he trained harder. The Midichlorians are why the Jedi and Sith are more in tune with the Force than others. The more in tune one is, the greater their ability to use the Force is. Which in other words means, that the more they have, the stronger their connection to the Force is.