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Sidious-3
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I can't believe this thread is still around...  
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Darth_Foo
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"2.) The Force did create Anakin, on its own. Plagueis created Sidious, the ultimate Sith, by influencing midichlorians to create life"
woah. i thought that i was the only person who thought that might be possible and didn't post it for fear of flaming. good job dude!
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pl_renoch
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11/3/05 9:07pm
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I just listened to the commentary on ROTS and was surprised to hear Rick say that the Opera(zero gravity water ballet) scene discusses the orgins of Anakin. I think this supports the idea that Anakin was created by Plagueis. Lucas may have wanted to leave this concept open for discussion but I think Rick let the truth slip.
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Force-Keeper
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11/3/05 9:12pm
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Well, unfortunately, even Rick doesn’t know the truth of Anakin’s origins. Only George does and he’s leaving it up to us to decide what the best theory is. I still say the Force created him, not some crazy Sith who could manipulate the Midi’s and create life.
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11/4/05 1:33pm
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i disagree Force-Keeper. Yes I bumped this up to get people talking about this subject. Sorry
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D_Lowe
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I read a brilliant blog at the official site that I believe clearly explain's Anakin's origins. The writter pretty much looks at things the way I do.
http://blogs.starwars.com/JediShemL/1
The thing that should have been brought up in the blog is Palpatine lying about what Plagueis knew. Basically Palpatine said that Plagueis taught his apprentice everything he knew, and then said that only Plagueis knew the power, but if he and Anakin work together, they could discover the secret.
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voodoopuuduu
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11/4/05 10:55pm
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read a brilliant blog at the official site that I believe clearly explain's Anakin's origins. The writter pretty much looks at things the way I do.
Yes, I agree, its a good blog. Because of Darth Mauls age, Plageius had to have been dead for maybe 15 years before Anakin was born.
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D_Lowe posted:
I read a brilliant blog at the official site that I believe clearly explain's Anakin's origins. The writter pretty much looks at things the way I do.
http://blogs.starwars.com/JediShemL/1
The thing that should have been brought up in the blog is Palpatine lying about what Plagueis knew. Basically Palpatine said that Plagueis taught his apprentice everything he knew, and then said that only Plagueis knew the power, but if he and Anakin work together, they could discover the secret.
thanks a bunch. a good find and a better read. this is pretty tough to refute by using available info
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MariahJSkywalker
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11/4/05 11:29pm
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D_Lowe posted:
I read a brilliant blog at the official site that I believe clearly explain's Anakin's origins. The writter pretty much looks at things the way I do.
http://blogs.starwars.com/JediShemL/1
The thing that should have been brought up in the blog is Palpatine lying about what Plagueis knew. Basically Palpatine said that Plagueis taught his apprentice everything he knew, and then said that only Plagueis knew the power, but if he and Anakin work together, they could discover the secret.
Makes sense to me. If Sidious was Anakin's father, wouldn't it be revealed to us since the saga is now complete. I believe he was created from the force, any not from any person.
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D_Lowe
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For all we know, Sidious said that just to get Anakin's attention and open his mind to the Dark Side of the Force. You do realize that Sith Lords will use lies and deceit to get what they want. Clearly Sidious did read Anakin's mind about Padme, and revealed that he knew that to Anakin when he was trying to recruit him to the Dark Side.
This is the part of the blog where I thought the author should have added that Sidious said that Plagueis knew the power of the of keep people from dying, then taught everything to his apprentice, and later said that only Plagueis knew the power. The inconsistants to all that proves that Sidious was just lying to manipulate Anakin. Anakin didn't realize at the time that Sidious read his mind about his concerns and used that tall tale to get Anakin's attention and open his mind to the Dark Side.
"Something is happening to me. I'm not the Jedi I should be. I want more, but I know I shouldn't."
That quote by Anakin was after the opera scene, but before Sidious tried to recruit him. Maybe it's true that Plagueis knew the power and Sidious didn't. But Plagueis died well before Anakin's birth.
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emporergerner
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Darth Plaigues could have very well known how to create life. In my opinion he did and in my Opinion he created Anakin. This is why I think Palpatine did'nt know it, this is just my whcky opinion so here it goes.
I think that Plaigues created and Apprentice, but not who he impregnated or on what Planet, and at the same time created the Prophesized chosen one of the Jedi. I think he told Palpatine that in due time they would find. Him so years pass and Palpatine doesn't really belive him and kills him. Palpatine finds Darth Maul and trains him. Then after Darth Maul gets killed on Naboo he meets Anakin for the First time and hears about how he' s supposably the chosen one, the one with the Immaculate birth with no father. At the same time he senses the fear from the young boy. Remember what Palpatine said to Anakin on Nabbo.I'm dont think this is exactly it, but close enough. " Young Skywalker we shall watch your career with great interest." With his evil Smile.
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leia1964
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11/5/05 6:34am
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I am in the group that does believe that Plagueis and Sidious created Anakin. The blog is a very good one, I read it when it came out along with many other that both refuted and agreed with the Sith creation story line. I have written many replies on several different threads stating why I think he was created by the Sith and why I think its a great arch to the story, but here I think I'll just mention one aspect of my opinion...
I've read several (make that nearly hundreds) of replies that state something like this '...the Sith tell lies to gain power, etc. so Palpatine/Sidious is just lying to Anakin to get him into his corner...' To me this sounds like it could be the "justification" for lots of things we don't want to believe. Example: When I saw TESB and found out Vader was Luke's father I remember talking with my SW fan-friends about it and everyone was like "...he's just lying, just to get Luke to join the dark side..." and "...Vader's a really bad guy, they lie all the time, you can't believe anything he says..." Sound familiar? At the end of TESB, did we really know Darth Vader was, without a doubt, Luke's father? No. We had to wait for RotJ to find out for sure. But, let's say RotJ never happened (just stay with me), Lucas put that infamous line in TESB for a very good reason, to let the audience know something vitally important... that Darth Vader was indeed Luke's father. He puts these things in his movies for a reason; number one, to make us think (this thread proves that works) and two, to inform us of what is really happening with the characters. I can't think of another time in the Saga that a main character has outright lied about a very important byline to the story. (And the whole Obi Wan telling things from "a certain point of view..." doesn't count; I think Lucas had to back step after ANH so that's how he fixed things.) Also, if Plagueis and Sidious didn't create Anakin, why doesn't Lucas just come right out and say it? He has adamantly told us that Anakin IS the Chosen One, he wanted to make that very clear to the fans; so why not just tell us "no, they didn't create him, Sidious is a liar, the Force alone created him". I think because he wants us to believe the Sith created him and this is somewhat, although vaguely, confirmed by RM in the Commentary.
The blog stated that there was no where else to go in the SW story as far as movies are concerned that would inform us of the Anakin's true origins; I disagree. I think Lucas can go back further and tell us the story of Plagueis and Sidious.
IMO Plagueis and Sidious created Anakin together. This is why Sidious tells Anakin that if they work "together" they could make it happen. Also, the will of the Force DOES still exist within the Sith creation theory; the Sith created Anakin thinking they would use the Jedi prophecy against them, but in turn the 'will of Force' steps in and uses their own creation to destroy them, thus Anakin remained the Chosen One through the whole ordeal and DID bring balance to the force by destroying both Sidious and himself. Just my opinion though.
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D_Lowe
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I think that Plaigues created and Apprentice, but not who he impregnated or on what Planet, and at the same time created the Prophesized chosen one of the Jedi. I think he told Palpatine that in due time they would find. Him so years pass and Palpatine doesn't really belive him and kills him. Palpatine finds Darth Maul and trains him. Then after Darth Maul gets killed on Naboo he meets Anakin for the First time and hears about how he' s supposably the chosen one, the one with the Immaculate birth with no father.
Everything written here is a theory based on what is wanted, rather than facts. Plagueis died and Anakin was born 15 years later. Your theory doesn't make sense.
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CuppaJoe
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11/5/05 7:56pm
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Can somebody please find that scene from the rough draft where Palpatine tells Anakin he created Anakin? I've been trying to find that..
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