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JediSoccerDad
Title: FanForce CR, Reading, PA
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3/22/07 2:52am
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Sorry... Forgot to log in.. I was "Anonymous" in the last reply, lol..
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HanSolo29
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3/22/07 9:43am
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Hmm...are we talking the Lowes next to 222? I don't recall a CVS being in there, but I'm probably wrong. 
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Rebel_Spook
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3/22/07 10:22am
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Looks like I'll being swinging north off from 568 next week to get a pic or two of that R2 mailbox!
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JediSoccerDad
Title: FanForce CR, Reading, PA
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3/23/07 4:16pm
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Ok, who is is saving up for the bidding for "lunch with Han"?
I know a cetain VP who probably is 
I just want to ask him who 'really' shot first, lol 
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HanSolo29
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3/24/07 12:34am
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Wait...lunch with Han?!
What?! Where?! How did I miss this?!
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EighteenDelta
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3/26/07 7:35am
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This is tangentially related to the fanfilm script I am working on but still disconnected enough that I feel it's appropriate to start the convo here. One major complaint I have with the PT (prequel trilogy) is the mystic and special nature of the Jedi is cheapened and degraded. The first problem is there were literally thousands of Jedi scattered across the galaxy, the next problem is they were killed so easily. Dime store Jedi and the overly emotional reactions of the leaders of a group that espouses the belief of a lack of emotion gets me into an emotional state I would rather not be in. Sir Alec Guinness and the fights of ANH are certainly less flashy, but more in line with the emotional state I imagined a Jedi to be. In Iaido (the art of drawing the sword) which I have been an active participant for near 15 years, it is considered a major no-no to 'telegraph' your actions or intent with facial expressions. That is one aspect I wish to incorporate in the fight choreography of this project. There is so much wasted motion and a lack of elegance that I want to bring back as well. Even if the Jedi is not invulnerable he should project such an aura and presence. In Kendo, Iaido, and Naginata we call this 'Zanshin' and to some extent 'Kime'. Don't bother looking these terms up on Wikipedia they are often grossly inaccurate. Zanshin describes a state of mind and readiness of the mind. Kime is the application of technique and the focus of that technique in that moment in time. The eastern martial arts are not the only ones who have this, even if most others don’t express it in the same terms. Western Boxing, Wrestling, and fencing all have these concepts and use them. What I would like to see is more of the Zen-like mind set that inspired the concept of the Jedi to Lucas in the first place. Not from a religious stand point but a philosophical standpoint.
What do you think everyone?
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Rebel_Spook
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I think the movies were trying to show that the Jedi had become soft and complacent, expecting the non-Jedi to just hold them in esteem without giving a reason to give them the respect. They also didn't expect anyone to know their weaknesses and exploit them. The problem is, this lack of respect flowed to the audience, and not just the characters in the movies.
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Pugglethelesser
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3/26/07 7:36pm
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Well, while I will agree that the fights in the pre-quels did have a lot of wasted motion, effort, and useless spinning( see Obi-wan, Episode I). The fights in Episode III were pretty awesome in my book, although I did see some openings that were left unexploited. On the other hand, the fights in the original trilogy were just..well, boring.
The fight between Vader and Obi-Wan in EpisodeIV was definetly like watching two broken down old men. Empire wasn't much better,and Lukes style in Return of the Jedi is clearly based on Savate, but if I have to watch him drag that back leg like it's broken one more time, I'm going to jump off of a bridge.
I understand what you are saying as far as the wasted motion, most fights between competent swordsman only lasted two or three moves, but I guess for the sake of cinema Lucas had to make things fast and flashy. He was trying to show the Jedi in their heyday.
Because I come from a Tae Kwon Do background, I can say that flashy doesn't always have to be useless. I think there is a middle ground betwwen practical and flashy.
As far as the jedi being cut down so easily in Episode III, again I guess for the purpose of the storyline, that's how it had to go down. I guess there are just certain lose ends that will never be wrapped up.
But, then again. What do I know?
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EighteenDelta
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3/27/07 6:14am
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I don't advocate a return to the slower, boring episode IV lightsaber dueling, even if I may sound that way. I think it's the same as real martial arts tourneys on ESPN, those of us who watch these competitions cringe, less at the flashy kicks and spins, and more at the poor technique postures or simple things like Hasugi (cutting angle) of the blade. I know people do not want to watch 'real' sword kata, they want cinematic action and get-your-heart-pounding violence. I think there is a way to find a balance. I would like to still see the occasional flip, or spin. the problem I have is gratuitous spins, like someone is making a demo reel of their acrobatics. Very few incidents should be as real as actual sword combat, 2-10 seconds would not serve the dramatic requirement, and wouldn't allow the audience any immersion. If you have ideas on how to do this when it comes time to choreograph, I am very much willing to listen to them. I don't want to see stick bashing, air slicing, and ridiculously over exaggerated pointless posturing (with muscle flexing)gah. As far as Lukes broken leg in ROTJ, I honestly always thought he was supposed to be injured otherwise I would noted that before. I just don't know on that one. Are you or any of the other people in the group interested in developing a lightsaber choreography, and props?
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JediSoccerDad
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3/27/07 10:39am
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YES, YES, YEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSS!
Oh, sorry.. ::tries to control enthusiasm:: I would definetly be interested in lightsaber construction & choreography. I think we should work this in.
P.S. With regards to the discussion, I agree with multiple points. I do see how the flashier techniques became less realistic & more cinema-friendly. Having a Ving Tsun (Wing Chun) background myself, I lived on the fact that less was more efficient. However, I do appreciate the fact that in the Prequals each jedi and sith had their own style, some flashy, some not. For example, Mace Windu vs Aayla Secura. Every style seemed to have its good points and bad points, simular to martial arts as a whole. At this age in my life, I like some of teh flasheir stuff just because it's cool to look at, even though I might not think it's the most efficient.
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Pugglethelesser
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3/27/07 2:29pm
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You mean you don't like the " Conan " pose? Come on now, it's so useful.......lol
I get what you are saying, and I happen to agree. There's a middle ground between economic and interesting. I've seen spin kicks done to generate power in a small area, and I've seen 540's just for flash, although my hips don't do that anymore.....lol So I get where you are coming from.
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EighteenDelta
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I am not ruling out all forms of cinema in the fights, just want to maintain a level that isn't just purely ridiculous. The other thing I want to avoid is people who look like they are afraid of the lightsaber they are holding when they fight. (please forgive this stereotype, but most females in Fanfilms look scared) A fight should be interesting and hold the audiences attention, it should also showcase things that seem beyond the skill level of those watching, otherwise it looses some value. However it should not become the '40 spin kicks' as you mentioned. If the fight looks like it was filmed on a trampoline, it becomes laughable as well. Its going to be a juggling act, we should maintain a fine balance.
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Rebel_Spook
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3/31/07 8:51am
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As I am sure that none of us want to become the next "Star Wars kid", I think keeping the fight choreography within a reasonable amount of flourish will be a good thing.
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3/31/07 5:01pm
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Um, I for one would love to be the next " Star Wars kid".........lol
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Anybody besides myself bailing water out of their basement?
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