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CDE102375
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1/20/06 10:40am
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RE: "Dark Lord" by Luceno (Spoilers)
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in my opinoin the book was ok it want that bad the lines between sidious was great. I could actually feel the nervousness that Bail felt when he was confronted by vader. Also the reaction from Obi-won was great once he realized that Vader was alive and the fact he was contacted by Qui-Qon. I kind of thought it bridged the gap between ROTS-and ANH.
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darth-sinister
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I just read the book this past weekend and enjoyed it. I liked reading about Roan Shryne and his point of view on the Clone Wars and the Jedi Order. Padawan Starsone is naieeve (sp), but she's a good demonstration of arrogance in the Jedi Order. It's important in my estimation to know about Roan and the others, so that we can see the changes in the Jedi Order and the galaxy. If you're just coming in for Vader, then you're going to feel disappointed.
I also liked the book because it made the transition from the PT eu to the OT eu. Getting to see Garm Bel Iblis, Sate Pestage and Armand Isard was nice. Understanding the relationship between Tarkin and Vader was helpful.
I recommend this book to everyone, but especially for those who aren't going to focus solely on Vader.
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mastersith69
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my only problem was the jedi who we followed as an audience because i could not get interested in there story and feel bad when they died. I did love however when vader was on alderan chasing the senator wanted and at the same time bail trying to keep leia from vader.
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emporergerner
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1/20/06 1:30pm
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I am not done with th book yet, but what I love is what's going on in Vaders mind. it's really interesting to see how he feels and what he think after ROTS.
I also do like the discussion between Vader and Palpatine, I hope there's more to come.
They also should remane the book, because the title gives you the sense that it's all about Vader, but it's not. It also has the Jedi's story to.
Just what I think.
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1/20/06 1:49pm
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the book is just ok to me. i much prefer matt stover's RotS, which is my favorite EU book
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darth-sinister posted:
Darth_Gangsta posted:
Read it when it first came out in November. To put it bluntly the created Jedi characters were garbage, and wasted words and pages. I was waiting for this book with great anticipation, expecting to find out about the first few weeks of life and the thoughts of characters like Obi-Wan, Yoda, Tarkin, etc, etc, and of course Vader. Instead, I get half of a good book, and half EU garbage. At the very least, Luceno could have used jedi who were at least mentioned in a line or two in the movie -- I'm thinking someone like Quinlan Vos. Instead, I have to read about some stupid characters like Filli Bitters (what the bleep kind of name is that?) Roan Shryne could have been interesting, instead of focusing on him, I have to figure out about 7 or 8 really horrible EU crappy names.....
The last chapter about ObiWan is the best in the book!
Quinlan Vos was almost killed by the attack on Boz Pity. He managed to hide himself, but his fate is unclear. This is due to Haden Blackman wanting to save Vos for a later story, but the comic adaptation of ROTS featured his death. Most of the film and eu Jedi were killed going into ROTS, or during Order 66. The Dark Woman had already gone into hiding, thus she couldn't be in the book. Master Brand isn't well enough established to be in this book, unlike in Dark Empire. Callistina could've been in this, but this is close to the time she was aboard the Eye Of Palpatine. Neeja Halcyon was already killed, otherwise he would've made a great lead. Any one not killed during this era and surviving into the post ROTJ era, will probably be in the live action series.
Obi-wan's life is mostly left to "Last Of The Jedi" and the occassional Star Wars Tales lost years story. Tarkin will be involved in the Death Star novel. Yoda during the lost years is pretty much off limits, I think.
Maybe we'll get to see a Jedi who survived into the post ROTJ era in the TV Series but I think if a Jedi appears in the TV Series they will die getting the Death Star plans to the Rebel Alliance.
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darth-sinister
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1/20/06 11:03pm
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mastersith69 posted:
my only problem was the jedi who we followed as an audience because i could not get interested in there story and feel bad when they died. I did love however when vader was on alderan chasing the senator wanted and at the same time bail trying to keep leia from vader.
Well, as I noted earlier, most of those established Jedi in the films and books are dead or in hiding already. I'm sure Luceno would've loved to use Quinlan Vos or Barris Offee, who had interaction with Anakin before his turn, thus making for a more compelling fight. But I did enjoy Roan Shryne, who I could get into. The others minor Jedi were essentially just cannon fodder.
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DarthJuggalo
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^^^^^^I agree,
I like Roan Shryne, he kinda reminded me of a mix between Qui Gon Jinn and Obi Wan. His character was easy to get into. I do agree that the other jedi/smugglers were space fillers and at certain points I couldn't remember who was who.
All and all, I loved the book. Any vader fan would.
At the end of it Vader is a monster. Slashing thru hordes of wookiees, Leaping up scaffolds and platforms chasing the Jedi. Jumping and fliping over Shryne when they fight. Basically doing all the things that some people who post on these boards think Vader isn't capable of because of Lucas' BS crippled robot quote.
By the end of the book, Vader has totally excepted his fate and is totally comfortable in the suit. Once hes fully engulfed in the power of the darkside he feels that his suit is just nothing more then a costume.
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darth-sinister
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1/21/06 12:16pm
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Luceno only did that because it's a book. It couldn't be done that well in the films, which is why Prowse and Anderson were grounded. Today it could be done with a CGI Vader.
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DarthJuggalo
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darth-sinister posted:
Luceno only did that because it's a book. It couldn't be done that well in the films, which is why Prowse and Anderson were grounded. Today it could be done with a CGI Vader.
I'm down for a CGI Vader.
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TheCRZA
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1/21/06 6:39pm
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I just started in and finished up to Vader's arrival.
I like that that the Jedi are unknowns...
It gives the author freer reign to tell a good story
without meddling with sacrosanct characters.
Very little of the OT had Vader in it and he was obviously huge.
There is room enough for new, and different tales.
Killing off old characters tightnes the noose.
Adding new characters opens it...
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darth-sinister
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Vader has a pretty good "screentime" in this book. I'll say that. A bit more than in TESB. Plus, like "Shadows Of The Empire", we get into Vader's head. Really get into it, which allows us to understand his character. Someone once mentioned that there was a bit of a similar tone with SOTE and DL. I agree. They both compliment each other. We see Anakin continue to become Vader in DL and then we see Vader begin to become Anakin in SOTE. Thus the circle is complete. Especially when you take Vader's desire to be free of the suit, in DL and then compare it to his thoughts about doing it with Luke's help. You get a nice symmetry going with the character.
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darth-sinister, I was thinking along those lines about DL as well.
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DarthJuggalo
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I also thought that Luceno did a good job with the spoken parts of the book.
Especially the Vader quotes. For the most part they were very Vader-esque.
Like when Starstone tells him that he disgraced the Jedi temple by setting foot there. And he responds with "More than you know".
And of course when Shryne is dying and Vader tells him that he's Anakin. Shryne asks him if he was one of the lost 20 and he says, "I'm the twenty-first. Surely you've heard of Anakin Skywalker, The Chosen One".
Just awesome!
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1/22/06 11:53am
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Does anyone know exactly how many weeks/months after Revenge of the Sith that Dark Lord ends? I'm going to write a short story about something that occurs during RotS and carries on after the events in DL, so I need a timeline if possible. Thanks.
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