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SWfan2002
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Jan '02
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Date Posted:
4/5/05 9:59pm
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RE: Freedom or Security?
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I agree with what Darth IRS said.
Freedom is a great thing, but there are common sense limits. For example, we have traffic lights and stop signs on the roads to organize the traffic flow so that people are more safe when driving their cars.
Free societies also almost always choose a democratic form of government. Right now we're actually seeing the start of this in the Middle East. The best part is that democracies rarily--if ever-- go to war with one another.
ROTS seems to tell the story of how a democracy is "hijacked" by a dictator, who has made the people he represents believe he can keep them safe-- thereby granting him emergency powers.
Emergency powers in a time of war or other crisis are a necessary evil, imho. That is, as long as they don't go too far-- and a healthy debate over this is certainly good for any democracy. These emergency powers can help the government do its job of protecting the people so that they can function in their daily lives and not have to constantly live in fear for themselves and their families.
Now, in ROTS Palpatine is revealed to be the cause of the war, so he will obviously not be relinquishing his emergency powers. This is where the problems come into play. Emergency powers are just that-- powers believed necessary to deal with an emergency, and no emergency lasts forever. Over time, adding emergency powers crisis after crisis, a dictatorship begins to emerge. This is what Palpatine has done in the PT. And that is a funny thing with democracies in general-- the people have the choice to give up their democracy in favor of a dictatorship!
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Father_Time
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7/21/05 9:58am
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I'd rathe rhave freedom, we only live for so long.
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DroidGeneral
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Father_Time posted:
I'd rathe rhave freedom, we only live for so long.
Thanks for bumping this useless thread back to the top.
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BuddyFett2
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7/21/05 10:10am
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Funny you ask that question. That was the quote I chose for my signature. See below.
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ObiWan506
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7/21/05 10:18am
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I agree. Freedom for me. Anything that happens during that is fate ... and you can't control that anyway.
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ArthurClavin
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theN00_Jedi
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7/21/05 10:54am
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 51% of 61% of the 40% of registered voters in my country choose to give up both! that's like almost half of 20% of the population...a mandate if I've ever seen one! I bet the empire had low voter turn out too
...you can tell that I'm being vauge and non-specific right?
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CIDLORD
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7/21/05 11:50am
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Freedom always must have a limit. Certainly I would give up some of my rights in order to obtain security. In fact, that's how society works.
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Tion_Meddon
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7/22/05 2:37pm
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It's interesting that this is now an issue for the American government...
http://news.yahoo.com/s/csm/aliberties
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theN00_Jedi
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Tion_Meddon posted:
It's interesting that this is now an issue for the American government...
http://news.yahoo.com/s/csm/aliberties
as I said, in my country, a very small number of people made the descision for the whole country to give up both
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ArthurClavin
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Oh dear, what an unfortunate mess! 
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SithHappensIII
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7/22/05 3:13pm
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Well you cant enjoy freedom if you're dead....
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ArthurClavin
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7/22/05 3:18pm
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That's debatable.
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namnlos
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7/22/05 4:33pm
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Be careful this doesn't become too political
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Jovieve
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7/22/05 5:07pm
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Interesting topic, but rather simplistic 'yea or nay' expectations. It's not so simple. People can say they want freedom over a police state, but that only lasts until the bombings start, until mothers and children start getting killed at the grocery store, until planes or spaceships start falling out of the sky. Economies are disrupted, the monetary unit devalues, people lose jobs, you get hungry enough and lose your homes and suddenly a police state looks like a good idea.
Living in a republic is hard, keeping it one is harder. Sometimes the price you pay - freedom isn't free - is going to be in blood.
Look at the opening battle scene in RotS. As the two fighters roll down, the camera pans down and you can see the surface of Coruscant all the waaaaaaaay down. Beneath a battle? The surface is getting absolutely trashed. Imagine any city in Germany during WWII but on a world wide scale. Hundreds of miles of filled to brim high rise dwellings getting obliterated. I can't even imagine the loss of life going on on the surface of Coruscant during that battle. 9-11 cost Americans over 3000 lives. We had time to evacuate most everyone otherwise the death toll would have been in the 10s of thousands.
Now imagine that on a daily basis for the people of the GFFA Republic...I think they think having protection is a good idea.
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