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Freedom or Security?
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Whizkid
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Sep '03
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Date Posted:
7/22/05 7:18pm
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RE: Freedom or Security?
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Not to get off topic, but did anyone know the USA has been in a state of emergency since 1933 when FDR took over! Every president since has renewed it, even during times of peace.
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TheCRZA
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Date Posted:
7/22/05 7:25pm
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RE: Freedom or Security?
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Liberty, hands down. Security is mostly an illusion. Only elites of a sovereign
ever really experience "security." Do impoverished and unfortunate peoples enjoy
the rewards of "security"? Liberty, Liberty, Liberty.
Anakin demonstrates in AOTC that he has an authoritarian streak in him
with his "then they should be made to" comment about agreeing about what
is best for everyone.
We rattle our chains to show we are free.
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Darth-Ghost
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1/16/06 12:51pm
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Freedom.
We only live for so long, we should enjoy life while we can.
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lighteninggun
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1/16/06 1:20pm
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Freedom isn't free. Never has been, never will be. Unfortunately we live in a world where there are true and real threats against this nation, and all who choose freedom as their standard. The enemy uses our freedom against us, but that's the price we pay.
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TheCRZA
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1/16/06 3:35pm
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people willing to trade their freedom for temporary security deserve neither and will lose both"
-Ben Franklin
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halfwits-r-us
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1/16/06 3:56pm
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TheCRZA posted:
people willing to trade their freedom for temporary security deserve neither and will lose both"
-Ben Franklin
Spoken by a true elite of society. Brilliant quote. BUt without some sort of security, anarchy would reign, and that would lead to too much calamity. Franklin writing this to convince his new society as well. I must say that by not having some semblance of secuirty, you can lose freedoms. Let's say traffic signals for example are a form of secuirty, they are accepted and agreed upon and they work to keep traffic going and to keep people more or less safe from crashing into each other. If these and the lanes were gone, then the resulting accidents from the removal of order and a secure sense of order would leave us worse off. Would I want to be free to drive down whatever side I wanted, or rather allow others to do so? No. If that makes me a fascist then so be it. So his quote is good but doesn;t apply to this trivial example.
Here's a nice quote by Cicero (the Roman orator) in English of course
"The fruit of too much liberty is slavery"
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