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Should "The Duel" be reclassified as "Yoda vs. Sidious?" Instead of "Obi Wan vs. Vader?"
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dude4c
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10/27/05 11:11am
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RE: Should "The Duel" be reclassified as "Yoda vs. Sidious?" Instead of "Obi Wan vs. Vader?"
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yoda vs sids. all the way. it is the culmination of the whole PT. it is awesome.
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sithrules70
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10/27/05 11:12am
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RE: Should "The Duel" be reclassified as "Yoda vs. Sidious?" Instead of "Obi Wan vs. Vader?"
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once again we agree dude4c
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SashaSkywalker
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10/27/05 11:16am
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RE: Should "The Duel" be reclassified as "Yoda vs. Sidious?" Instead of "Obi Wan vs. Vader?"
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Since we practically knew the outcome of both duels beforehand, I have to go with the one I was more emotionally invested in, with was Anakin vs. Obi Wan.
But I`m not sure if it would have been better from a movie perspective to show first one duel then the other with no intercutting even though I wanted to stay on Mustafar the whole time. 
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sithrules70
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10/27/05 11:17am
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RE: Should "The Duel" be reclassified as "Yoda vs. Sidious?" Instead of "Obi Wan vs. Vader?"
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and i wanted to stay on the senate the whole time 
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SashaSkywalker
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10/27/05 11:25am
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RE: Should "The Duel" be reclassified as "Yoda vs. Sidious?" Instead of "Obi Wan vs. Vader?"
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Ah I see we shared the same frustration then. 
May be separate duels would have worked better ? I can`t really say.
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sithrules70
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10/27/05 11:29am
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RE: Should "The Duel" be reclassified as "Yoda vs. Sidious?" Instead of "Obi Wan vs. Vader?"
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to see the entire senate duel is more a fanboy dream for me,i think is great the way it is.it would be weird to show 1 duel first and the other later.
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dude4c
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10/27/05 12:06pm
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RE: Should "The Duel" be reclassified as "Yoda vs. Sidious?" Instead of "Obi Wan vs. Vader?"
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i like the way they did it. c'mon if your heart is not pumping the last 45 minutes of that movie, your not alive. to see the chancelors pod rise up in that huge chamber with the two best trying to kill each other with sabers with dule of fates in background. whew chills man, chills. good stuff.
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SashaSkywalker
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10/27/05 12:07pm
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RE: Should "The Duel" be reclassified as "Yoda vs. Sidious?" Instead of "Obi Wan vs. Vader?"
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You`re probably right. It would give the movie a strange feeling, like: "Scene. And next."
The thing is for me, since in the OT I found out about Anakin = Vader, I wanted to know what put him in the suit. And when it became clear it was a fight against Obi Wan, that was the duel of the PT for me. What I wanted to see, like the Luke/Vader-showdown in the OT.
Whereas in the OT I cared diddly squat if the Emperor ever was in an all out fight. And when the PT rolled around I knew it would eventually be HeadJedi against MasterSith, but there wasn`t the same level of excitement about it.
So for me personally, "The Duel" will always be Anakin vs. Obi Wan, although Jedi vs. Sith has a nice epic feeling to it.
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sithrules70
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10/27/05 12:23pm
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RE: Should "The Duel" be reclassified as "Yoda vs. Sidious?" Instead of "Obi Wan vs. Vader?"
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it is fine as it is. to show them separately would not be good.
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10/27/05 1:41pm
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RE: Should "The Duel" be reclassified as "Yoda vs. Sidious?" Instead of "Obi Wan vs. Vader?"
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Yup, just fine the way it is. Both duels are important, but I am just more emotionally involved with the Obi-Ani/Vader relationship that Yoda and Sids. They barely know each other....Obi and Ani spent about 13 years together and it's ripped apart. Now that to me is interesting in how that happened and how Ani got in the suit.
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Lars_Muul
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10/27/05 1:47pm
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RE: Should "The Duel" be reclassified as "Yoda vs. Sidious?" Instead of "Obi Wan vs. Vader?"
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Oh, I wouldn't say Yoda and Sidious barely know eachother. Palpatine has been working closely with the Jedi Council for 13 years. Not that we see much interaction between these two characters, but still....
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BothofUs
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10/27/05 2:43pm
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RE: Should "The Duel" be reclassified as "Yoda vs. Sidious?" Instead of "Obi Wan vs. Vader?"
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Yoda vs. Sidious was visually more entertaining, but the Anakin vs. Obi-Wan is longer and more important to the story arc.
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Chief_Spirit_of_Evil
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10/27/05 2:49pm
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RE: Should "The Duel" be reclassified as "Yoda vs. Sidious?" Instead of "Obi Wan vs. Vader?"
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My favourite and most powerful son Sidious fights beyond anything experienced. The word 'Duel' befits neither him or his new apprentice. He is a Man of war. A Lord of corruption. A Master of evil.
He slaughtered that pitiful Jedi creature and had that bug not fleed, my son would have feasted upon his soul. Much like he did with Windu - now he had potential.
"Taste the fear"
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DarthPoojaNaberrie
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10/27/05 3:04pm
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RE: Should "The Duel" be reclassified as "Yoda vs. Sidious?" Instead of "Obi Wan vs. Vader?"
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Yes, the Obi/Ani one is more important not only for the physicality and looks of it, but just as much or more for the emotionality behind it, knowing their history, and closing the gap between trilogies as far as their two characters go.
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Cryogenic
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10/27/05 3:20pm
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RE: Should "The Duel" be reclassified as "Yoda vs. Sidious?" Instead of "Obi Wan vs. Vader?"
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Although both duels are made enormously symbolic by their surroundings, owed to the hostility of the environment, it is Mustafar that continually cuts into and interrupts the Obi Wan/Anakin duel. This made it a little unsatisfying on first viewing; the Yoda/Sidious duel is much more satisfying as two adherents of the Force are able to fight each other without interruption. Yet I've started to respect and enjoy the Obi Wan/Anakin duel equally; the surroundings seem to cut in precisely because Lucas wants us to feel that they are mad. The place is falling apart - nature is consuming everything - yet Obi Wan and Anakin fight on regardless. There's something David Lean-ish about that (think of the last lines in Bridge on the River Kwai).
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