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Should "The Duel" be reclassified as "Yoda vs. Sidious?" Instead of "Obi Wan vs. Vader?"
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COMMANDER76
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10/27/05 8:09pm
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Cryogenic posted:
Although both duels are made enormously symbolic by their surroundings, owed to the hostility of the environment, it is Mustafar that continually cuts into and interrupts the Obi Wan/Anakin duel. This made it a little unsatisfying on first viewing; the Yoda/Sidious duel is much more satisfying as two adherents of the Force are able to fight each other without interruption. Yet I've started to respect and enjoy the Obi Wan/Anakin duel equally; the surroundings seem to cut in precisely because Lucas wants us to feel that they are mad. The place is falling apart - nature is consuming everything - yet Obi Wan and Anakin fight on regardless. There's something David Lean-ish about that (think of the last lines in Bridge on the River Kwai).
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Darth_Jaytastic
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PaplooTheory posted:
See, the Yoda fight, in my opinion, had no tension at all. Yoda could NOT win
But Anakain could? Yoda-Sids had much more tension that a fight that you already know the conclusion to.
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darth-sinister
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There is tension, it all depends on your point of view. We all know that Yoda loses his fight with Palpatine, but deep down you still want him to win over Palpatine, based on 'future' knowledge of his crimes. Just the same as you don't want Anakin to attack Mace, because you know that if he stayed out of it, it would be over. For future generations who don't know the entire Saga, they will wonder if Yoda survives this encounter. Will he be capable of beating Palpatine? Thus his defeat is all the sadder, because even he could not achieve victory.
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Promiscuous_Jedi
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I firmly think that "the duel" is the contest between Obi-Wan and Anakin/Vader.
It was clearly shown that they battled with their lightsabers from start to finish, which is a duel. Sidious and Yoda started off with their display of Force powers then dueled afterwards. The movie doesn't tell us when because the scenes go back to Yoda vs. Sidious to Obi-Wan vs. Vader a few times and somewhere along the way, Yoda must have disarmed Sidious because Sidious isn't holding a lightsaber any longer the contests ends with the way it started: the Masters both using their uncanny Forc powers.
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darth-amedda
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Should be "The Duels".
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Lars_Muul
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Finally! Someone who thinks like me 
"The Duels" all the way, mate!
Yoda can jump really high
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sithrules70
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both duels are important,it should be the "duels".
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dude4c
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the yoda sidious dule was the better of the two. obi v ani was a little too furious. you could hardly see some of the great moves each where doing. when the dvd is here i can't wait to slow that dule down a bit so i can absorb the fight. it was good but it just seemed to be a little too fast. not to mention we did kinda know how it would end. yoda v sids, now that was unexpected. i guess you could argue that we should have known how that was going to end, but it was a better dule to watch visualy, so i give that one the edge.
Master Yoda - vs - The Emperor = The dule.
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Lars_Muul
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The fury of the Mustafar duel is what's so gret about it. I love the beginning, because Anakin attacks with such speed and anger that you can touch the danger of it.
Mustafar - my backyard
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Lars_Muul posted:
The fury of the Mustafar duel is what's so gret about it. I love the beginning, because Anakin attacks with such speed and anger that you can touch the danger of it.
Mustafar - my backyard
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Absolutely! Even though I obviously know that Obi-Wan will survive the duel, everytime I watch it I fear for his life! This scene does a great job demonstrating Vader's furious fighting skills, while also showing why Obi-Wan is the ultimate Jedi survivor.
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definitly not "the duel" in terms of story but yoda shoulda start of using a cane after that fall and should of been walking normal in 1 and 2
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I frankly dont see the big draw to the Yoda/Sideous fight at all. They didnt start out as freinds therefore they really had zip to lose on a personal level the way Obi-Wan Anakin did. In fact, you could have not even had that duel in the movie and I honestly dont think it would have affected the plot much at all.
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RebelScum77
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I'm sure I've posted in here somewhere before... ah well...
Well it's "the duel", not plural, because originally the Obi-Wan v. Anakin fight was not intercut with Yoda v. Sidious, it took place after that one so it was the final duel.
But in terms of emotional connection for the audience, Obi/Ani wins hands down. The Yoda and Sidious fight does have huge repercussions for the Galaxy, but the other is fighting for something almost more powerful, a man's soul. You literally watch Anakin's be destroyed, while his best friend and wife watch and can do nothing except try and kill him. It's really a gut-wrenching thing. I know I get teary watching them fight, even before Obi-Wan strikes the final blow.
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Lars_Muul
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What was originally planned doesn't really matter now, does it? "The Duels" is what we see in the movie.
Originally schmoriginally
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Should "The Duel" be reclassified as "Yoda vs. Sidious?" Instead of "Obi Wan vs. Vader?"
No. The main thing is Anakin vs Obi-Wan duel. The saga is about Anakin/Vader. This is his transformation to the Dark Side. It is the most important thing in ROTS.
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