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Should "The Duel" be reclassified as "Yoda vs. Sidious?" Instead of "Obi Wan vs. Vader?"
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yodaboyman
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10/29/05 8:30am
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RE: Should "The Duel" be reclassified as "Yoda vs. Sidious?" Instead of "Obi Wan vs. Vader?"
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i think that it is only the duel because everybody wanted 2 no what made vader the way he was, and the power of the luke/vader relationship in the OT, i think that if sideous had been cut up by yoda and vader was fine it would hav been better for peace but he didnt:(
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jedibri
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10/29/05 8:47am
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On a personal note I didn't like the way the Yoda vs. Sidious duel ended. No clear winner. I can't put my finger on it but it left a bad taste in my mouth.
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DUGGY
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the "Clear Winner" is the last man standing, or the Guy who holds onto his Power. and that is Palpatine. Yoda retreated because he knew he could not continue to match Force power with Sideous indefintely. Sideous was the More powerful. that is if you choose to believe the novel and your own weyes. and i do. I love Yoda , but the Sith's time had come.
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dakinJmacwalker
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whoever asks this question needs to question their cudos as a star wars fan. "The Duel" will always be Obi Wan vs. Anakin/Vader over the hellish world of Mustafar because that fight truely chose the fate of the galaxy.
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Dezdmona
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These physical duels were just the gut wrenching beginning of the longer stragegic duels to come... 
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sithrules70
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dakinJmacwalker posted:
whoever asks this question needs to question their cudos as a star wars fan. "The Duel" will always be Obi Wan vs. Anakin/Vader over the hellish world of Mustafar because that fight truely chose the fate of the galaxy.
is not your place to question other fans opinions about the movies.
and the yoda vs sidious duel is WAY more decisive to the fate of the galaxy because if yoda succeds then THE EMPIRE IS NO MORE.
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TheCRZA
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Should "The Duel" be reclassified as "Yoda vs. Sidious?" Instead of "Obi Wan vs. Vader?"
I agree that in the context galactic politics, yoda vs. sidious had much
more direct effects.
But the emotional ties from the audience are, by and large, with anakin and obi wan.
2 protagonists slugging away at one another, very powerful stuff.
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yoshifett
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dakinJmacwalker posted:
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whoever asks this question needs to question their cudos as a star wars fan. "The Duel" will always be Obi Wan vs. Anakin/Vader over the hellish world of Mustafar because that fight truely chose the fate of the galaxy.
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Well, plus this post doesn't even make any sense. Question their "cudos" as a star wars fan?
WTH? 'Cudos' is not even a word, and the real word 'Kudos' means something totally different than this poster meant.
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TheCRZA
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10/29/05 9:48pm
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Not a real word, but a nice treat from back in the day.
In the 80s, one of my english teachers used to give us
kudos as kudos for getting things right.
Ah, the 80s...
What was the question?
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yoshifett
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No CRZA, I know what Kudos means, and it doesn't make sense in that sentence, even as slang!
It's praise. How can you question your "praise" as a Star Wars fans? You could question your devotion or credentials, but not praise.
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Lars_Muul
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After having watched ROTS on DVD, I'm now even more convinced of the idea that it's "The Duels", not "The Duel". The climax of the movie couldn't have worked any other way, because these duels belong together. They complement eachother and would've been much weaker one after the other.
It really is one battle being fought on two locations simultaneously.
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MasterKenobi777 posted:
No I don't think it will. Yoda and Sidious, no matter how great it is going to be, will not take The Duel's thunder for the sheer fact that the Obi-Wan vs. Vader is the most important of any duel because it decides the fate of the Jedi, the twins, the galaxy, and the Chosen One. And its going to be more emotional and personal, unlike the Yoda vs. Sidious duel.
The fate of the Jedi was already decided (99% died).
The fate of the twins, well, if Anakin turned and Obi-Wan died, Padmé either would have gone into hiding with the twins or pulled a Medea. Either way, I doubt they would have ended up with the bad guys.
The fate of the galaxy would have been okay if Yoda won his duel.
The fate of the Chosen One is pretty moot if Palps is dead. Anakin isn't exactly going to take over the Empire.
The only thing OvA has over YvP is emotional stakes.
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The_Dark_Knight
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IMO I think the duel is still Anakin and Vader it was an emotionally powerful and action packed duel. What more could u ask for.
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DON_QUITO12
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I think it was good that both duels took place at the same time, and I don't have any complaint the way it was shown in the film... It wouldn't have make any sense by just showing the duel between two best friends or brothers, when Yoda not only requested Obi Wan to kill Vader, but he also was going after the Emperor...
At the end, they were the only two surviving Jedi from The Great Jedi Purge... The only two Jedi characters we get to know after 19-20 years in the OT as great warriors and Jedi Knights... And they had to do something heroic before the time of their exile... It would be more frustating and so simple if the only duel was that of Kenobi and Anakin at Mustafar... Then everybody would have been wondering about Yoda encountering the Emperor, or doing something for the galaxy.
The only reason why the final duel is "so important" is because everybody wants to know how Anakin came up to that man-machine suit which we all know as Vader... And people are disappointed by just watching the duel during ANH between Vader and Old Ben...
But I care more for having a complete view of how things were dealed at that moment... I believe it is great...
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COMMANDER76
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11/16/05 10:40pm
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Both duels are EPIC...hell even the Mace/Sidious duel has EPIC results attached to it.
I guess we as the fans will classify what we personally consider, "The Duel" to be...
I mean Lucas settles interpretations but we are free to classify the finished fights in any order we see fit.
Some may consider Obi-Wan Kenobi/Anakin as, "The Duel"...
While others may opt for Darth Sidious/Yoda, Darth Maul/Qui Gon Jinn/Obi-Wan Kenobi or even Luke Skywalker/Darth Vader part 2 as tops in their ranking.
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