Go-Mer-Tonic posted:Again, Lucas has said on multiple occasions that he liked how Jar-Jar turned out, expected some fans to have a negative reaction to him, but included Jar-Jar anyway. I personally thought he was a masterstoke, especially -because- of the way some people hated him with such a passion.
CJedi72 posted:I agree with you that Lucas usually doesn't listen to negative fans, but come on, for Jar Jar he did big time. After TPM, and alot of people disdained him, he cut him back for that reason only. Can you name one main character in any of the 5 other SW movies, whose role was reduced to almost nothing in the next movie? Now the exception is someone dying in the next movie of course. Here is the OT main characters, and they were all featured in all 3 movies: Han, Leia, Luke, Darth Vader, Chewbacca, R2-D2, C3PO, and Lando(2 movies) They all had good sized roles in every OT movie Yoda and Kenobi died For the PT: Kenobi, Anakin, Palpatine, Padme, Yoda, R2-D2, C-3PO Shmi, QuiGon died Jar Jar was the only main player in the saga to have a major role in TPM, to having 2 scenes in AOTC, and having zero lines, or I think he said one line when they arrived on Coruscant. Every other characters was featured in one way or another in every movie they could be in. Lucas did that because alot of older fans hated him, nothing more nothing less. Come on guys, this one is obvious.
darth-sinister posted: -Threepio was only in TPM for maybe 10 minutes. In AOTC, he doesn't appear until early in the second hour. In ROTS, Threepio has maybe ten minutes again, with two scenes cut. One where he's serving drinks to the Alliance leaders in Padme's apartment and later when he and Artoo drag Padme back to the Skiff. In the OT, we see plenty of him. He still has a larger role in every Prequel than Jar Jar except TPM. Lucas would not put C-3PO in a SW movie without him talking, it is essential, cause he knows many people like him. Jar Jar was fazed out from a major role in TPM to 2 scenes in AOTC, to one scene in ROTS. No other main character in SW has seen their role plummet in each successive movie. -Artoo is seen throughout all the films, except for ROTS. Once we get back to Courscant, he disappears until it's time to go to Mustafar. Lucas then cut out the scene with Threepio that I mentioned. He still has the huge scene at the beginning of ROTS, where he carries the comedy. The droids were never in every second of every movie, but Lucas always found time to use them in every movie, again, Jar Jar in ROTS, what 10 seconds? -Padme has far fewer scenes in ROTS than she did in the last two films. If you are going to twist my words around, let me know cause I'll stop arguing. You know I mean going from a major role to practically no role. Padme wasn't used as much at the beginning of ROTS cause she was preqnant, but she is in alot at the ending, especially when she died, again Jar Jar was in it for 10 seconds. -Palpatine's not in ANH. And only has a two minute cameo in TESB. He wasn't a main character in ANH or ESB, not until ROTJ, did you watch them 4-6 first? The PT was made after ROTJ, so hence he has a major role in every movie after he was a main character in Episode VI, then they were filmed 1,2,3. -Yoda has less screen time in TPM and ROTJ, compared to the other films. And no appearence in ANH. He wasn't invented until ESB, so of course he had no appearance in ANH! Again are you watching them 4-6 first? He died in ROTJ, so of course his sceentime will be less, he's dead! Lucas said that Jar Jar was the key in TPM, for two reasons. One is that he is essential to the plot, which is the unity between the Gugnans and the Naboo. And two, because Jar Jar's CGI will prove if he can do Yoda and other characters. It's the same with Yoda in TESB, being the make or break factor for that film. For AOTC, Jar Jar is still there and in a reduced capacity. But his role is still important. For ROTS, like the droids, Jar Jar has to be sidelined. Not just to make the transistion to the OT, but because he will be out of place in the story. Look at the film. Humor is scarce once we get back to Courscant. Gone is the banter between Anakin and Obi-wan. Gone are the antics of the droids and Jar Jar. Not even Chewbacca has a moment of levity. We don't have any humor out of Nute Gunray and Rune Haako. There's no "She can't do that! Shoot her or something!" or "Are you brain dead?"
CJedi72 posted:He still has a larger role in every Prequel than Jar Jar except TPM. Lucas would not put C-3PO in a SW movie without him talking, it is essential, cause he knows many people like him. Jar Jar was fazed out from a major role in TPM to 2 scenes in AOTC, to one scene in ROTS. No other main character in SW has seen their role plummet in each successive movie.
CJedi72 posted:He still has the huge scene at the beginning of ROTS, where he carries the comedy. The droids were never in every second of every movie, but Lucas always found time to use them in every movie, again, Jar Jar in ROTS, what 10 seconds?
CJedi72 posted:If you are going to twist my words around, let me know cause I'll stop arguing. You know I mean going from a major role to practically no role. Padme wasn't used as much at the beginning of ROTS cause she was preqnant, but she is in alot at the ending, especially when she died, again Jar Jar was in it for 10 seconds.
CJedi72 posted: He wasn't a main character in ANH or ESB, not until ROTJ, did you watch them 4-6 first? The PT was made after ROTJ, so hence he has a major role in every movie after he was a main character in Episode VI, then they were filmed 1,2,3.
CJedi72 posted:He wasn't invented until ESB, so of course he had no appearance in ANH! Again are you watching them 4-6 first? He died in ROTJ, so of course his sceentime will be less, he's dead!
CJedi72 posted:I agree with what you're saying that Jar Jar was essential to TPM plot, no argument here, but as I stated Lucas likes to use main characters in his sequels because people like them. He didn't need to put C-3PO or R2-D2 in ESB after ANH, but they were a hit with the fans, this whole Jar Jar story arc is baloney, if Jar Jar was well loved, Lucas would have found more screen time for him in AOTC & ROTS. Lucas knew that more Jar Jar, may have meant less box office. If Jar Jar had just as much screentime in AOTC & ROTS as he did in TPM, I guarantee you their box office grosses would be less. Jar Jar is the one character that many fans complained that he actually ruins every scene he is in, no other SW character has ever done that.
darth-sinister posted: CJedi72 posted:If you are going to twist my words around, let me know cause I'll stop arguing. You know I mean going from a major role to practically no role. Padme wasn't used as much at the beginning of ROTS cause she was preqnant, but she is in alot at the ending, especially when she died, again Jar Jar was in it for 10 seconds. You said less of a role in a film. I meant drastically like Jar Jar, going from a major player in TPM to zero lines in ROTS. CJedi72 posted: He wasn't a main character in ANH or ESB, not until ROTJ, did you watch them 4-6 first? The PT was made after ROTJ, so hence he has a major role in every movie after he was a main character in Episode VI, then they were filmed 1,2,3. I've seen it OT to PT. But, I'm speaking of PT to OT. CJedi72 posted:He wasn't invented until ESB, so of course he had no appearance in ANH! Again are you watching them 4-6 first? He died in ROTJ, so of course his sceentime will be less, he's dead! See above. I think I am going to start pulling my hair out! He filmed them 4-6,1-3, and didn't create Yoda til ESB. So if you go by any logic, he can't be in Episode IV, cause he wasn't invented yet! Threepio and Artoo were always going to be in every Star Wars film, because the story is told through their point of view. It had nothing to do with popularity. It had to do with storyline. And to say box office had an impact, Lucas was the one who said that he felt that ROTS would make less money. Not because of Jar Jar, but because of the darkness of the story. And he was going off of TESB, which was the darkest film up to that point. It made less money that ROTJ and ANH. And anti Ewok sentimentality didn't stop Lucas from producing two Ewok films and an animated series.
CJedi72 posted: I meant drastically like Jar Jar, going from a major player in TPM to zero lines in ROTS.
Go-Mer-Tonic posted:Lucas expected a negative reaction from the portion of the fanbase he wasn't worried about pleasing. It's largely the same group who didn't care much for the Ewoks, and he wasn't phased by that either. According to exit polls conducted by 20th century fox around the release of TPM, Jar-Jar was a huge hit with children (his target audience) and a lot of women. Lucas says it was mostly 30 year olds on the Internet that lashed out at Jar-Jar, and he's convinced the media makes them out to be a much larger portion of the fanbase than they really were. As a SW nut who loves Jar-Jar, I think he probably has a point.
CJedi72 posted:I can do Kevin Bacon meets Jango Fett: Kevin Bacon was in A Few Good Men with Tom Cruise who was in Eyes Wide Shut with Nicole Kidman who was in Moulin Rouge with Ewan McGregor who was in AOTC with Jango Fett
