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Mr_Fantastic  422 posts
Registered: Aug '04
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Date Posted: 1/5/06 3:52am Subject: RE: So Mace Windu isn't Dead when he gets pushed out of the window...
We saw a robotic Darth Maul in Visionaries and Durge and Asajj in Clone Wars vol7 after they died in the cartoons. Palpatine's spirit enters a clone and he endures even turning Luke to the dark side in the EU. Why on earth would it be any different with Mace? He simply returns with a golden arm and loses to Palpatine or Vader again. A year from now in some comic, I believe.

 

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Greedo_forever  535 posts
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Date Posted: 1/5/06 7:21am Subject: RE: So Mace Windu isn't Dead when he gets pushed out of the window...
To me, the EU is a fun "What If..." parrallel universe. I can't accept ANY of it as fact for the specific reason that many of its stories directly contradict or diminish the poignancy and drama of many of my favorite scenes in the movies.

To say that Mace survived (or for that matter: Ki-Adi, or Aayla Secura, Boba Fett etc...), dimishes the effect of the scene.

Its like watching the end of Casablanca and telling your teary eyed girlfriend: "Oh don't worry- they get back together in a year or two. It says so in the sequel by so-and-so author. nerd "

Thanks A LOT for ruining the drama for me...

 

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Get_in_Gear  5101 posts
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Date Posted: 1/5/06 8:19am Subject: RE: So Mace Windu isn't Dead when he gets pushed out of the window...
Mr_Fantastic posted:
We saw a robotic Darth Maul in Visionaries and Durge and Asajj in Clone Wars vol7 after they died in the cartoons. Palpatine's spirit enters a clone and he endures even turning Luke to the dark side in the EU. Why on earth would it be any different with Mace?


The diffence, and I'm so glad you asked, is that we are here now discussing it in 2006 when Mace is dead.
D E A D.
All sources say he is dead.
All official sources explicitly say he is dead.

When some EU author decides to dig up Mace's corpse and piss all over the remnants - then, and only then, can you say: "Look - Mace is alive, it says so in this Frito Lay tie-in four-page special entitled 'Mace in your face'!!!"

Now, in 2006, you are just putting the cart before the horse.
Until someone revives Mace, he is dead, otherwise it is not a "revival", is it?
As you said yourself - these other characters were revived in the EU after they were dead.
So which is Mace - dead or revived?

 

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Registered: Jan '06
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Date Posted: 1/5/06 9:09am Subject: RE: So Mace Windu isn't Dead when he gets pushed out of the window...
Mace wasn't dead when he went out the window...but he was dead when he hit the ground. skull

 

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Get_in_Gear  5101 posts
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Date Posted: 1/5/06 9:11am Subject: RE: So Mace Windu isn't Dead when he gets pushed out of the window...
Get_in_Gear posted:

The diffence...


That should be "difference".

 

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darth-sinister  43577 posts
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Date Posted: 1/5/06 12:15pm Subject: RE: So Mace Windu isn't Dead when he gets pushed out of the window...
Mr_Fantastic posted:
We saw a robotic Darth Maul in Visionaries and Durge and Asajj in Clone Wars vol7 after they died in the cartoons. Palpatine's spirit enters a clone and he endures even turning Luke to the dark side in the EU. Why on earth would it be any different with Mace? He simply returns with a golden arm and loses to Palpatine or Vader again. A year from now in some comic, I believe.


Darth Maul's resurrection is Inifinities. That mean it's not canon. That's the only time a Star Wars author can resurrect the dead. The genesis of "Visionaries" is that a number of ILM's concept artists were doing different designs for AOTC and ROTS. Lucas never used any of these. Lucasbooks decided to publish these to show us what ILM would do, before Lucas gave everyone a direction. They are not in anyway part of the official Star Wars lore.

Durge and Asajj Ventress were already alive in the eu, before the cartoon came out. They both debuted in volume one of the Clone Wars comics, which debuted months before the cartoon aired. Chapters 5 and 6 take place before AOTC. Chapters 17-19 was not the death of Ventress, because she was already alive in the comics. Same with Durge.

Anyway, Lucas didn't create Durge and Ventress. They're eu exclusive. Thus as I said, the folks at Lucasbooks could kill and ressurect them at their lesiure. But they cannot do that to the film characters. After "Dark Empire", the policy of no resurrecting the dead was added. When the Infinities label was added, they were allowed to do what they want, since it has no impact on the canon lore. Thus they can kill Luke, have Leia become a Sith Lord, have Vader fight Maul's clone, have the cast of ANH in a Breakfest Club spoof, etc.

 

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Sidious-3  604 posts
Registered: Feb '05
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Date Posted: 1/5/06 12:40pm Subject: RE: So Mace Windu isn't Dead when he gets pushed out of the window...
Get_in_Gear posted:
Mr_Fantastic posted:
We saw a robotic Darth Maul in Visionaries and Durge and Asajj in Clone Wars vol7 after they died in the cartoons. Palpatine's spirit enters a clone and he endures even turning Luke to the dark side in the EU. Why on earth would it be any different with Mace?


The diffence, and I'm so glad you asked, is that we are here now discussing it in 2006 when Mace is dead.
D E A D.
All sources say he is dead.
All official sources explicitly say he is dead.

When some EU author decides to dig up Mace's corpse and piss all over the remnants - then, and only then, can you say: "Look - Mace is alive, it says so in this Frito Lay tie-in four-page special entitled 'Mace in your face'!!!"

Now, in 2006, you are just putting the cart before the horse.
Until someone revives Mace, he is dead, otherwise it is not a "revival", is it?
As you said yourself - these other characters were revived in the EU after they were dead.
So which is Mace - dead or revived?


I agree this thread is on it's last leg I believe

 
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mastersith69  139 posts
Registered: Mar '05
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Date Posted: 1/5/06 12:41pm Subject: RE: So Mace Windu isn't Dead when he gets pushed out of the window...
mace windu is dead because if he wasnt then samuel L Jackson could use it to highten up badass image for "the man 2" dancing

 
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Crazy_Old_Kermit  224 posts
Registered: Oct '03
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Date Posted: 1/5/06 12:58pm Subject: RE: So Mace Windu isn't Dead when he gets pushed out of the window...
Does anyone out there that believes Mace did not die in ROTS believe that Bail did not die in ANH?

 

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Greedo_forever  535 posts
Registered: May '05
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Date Posted: 1/5/06 1:04pm Subject: RE: So Mace Windu isn't Dead when he gets pushed out of the window...
Crazy_Old_Kermit posted:
Does anyone out there that believes Mace did not die in ROTS believe that Bail did not die in ANH?


Based on the existence of threads like this one and others like "Aayla Secura LIVES!", I'd have to reply that:

Yes, there ARE people out there who outright dismiss the dramatic integrity of the films. grin

 

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Crazy_Old_Kermit  224 posts
Registered: Oct '03
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Date Posted: 1/5/06 1:18pm Subject: RE: So Mace Windu isn't Dead when he gets pushed out of the window...
It's just that I have a feeling that a lot of people who believe Mace is alive believe that Bail is in fact dead.

Now due to the "logic" of people on this board, if you don't see a body then the person might be alive.

Yet, we never see Bail's body, so the guy still might be alive.

It's just that the line of thinking "no body, not dead" carries with it many flaws and plot holes. Seriously, as strange as it is to have someone maybe come back, it's really just cheap and ignorant storytelling.

 

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Greedo_forever  535 posts
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Date Posted: 1/5/06 1:27pm Subject: RE: So Mace Windu isn't Dead when he gets pushed out of the window...
Crazy_Old_Kermit posted:

It's just that the line of thinking "no body, not dead" carries with it many flaws and plot holes. Seriously, as strange as it is to have someone maybe come back, it's really just cheap and ignorant storytelling.


Ha HA! SOOO many villains have fallen down bottomless cliffs, been "inside" explosions and shot into the vacuum of space, each one screaming: "G'AAAHHH! This isn't the last you've seen of MEEEEEEeeeee!"

Basically the "no body, not dead" scenerio is used many times for villains (and works), but rarely for heroes. Mace's death, to me, was more worthy of a "Curses! Foiled again!" kind of villain.

 

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uwishuwereme  732 posts
Registered: Nov '05
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Date Posted: 1/5/06 1:56pm Subject: RE: So Mace Windu isn't Dead when he gets pushed out of the window...
Crazy_Old_Kermit posted:
It's just that I have a feeling that a lot of people who believe Mace is alive believe that Bail is in fact dead.


[color=blue]Star Wars Databank for Bail Organa

"Bail sent Leia on a mission to locate Obi-Wan Kenobi and recruit him into the Alliance to help face the Death Star challenge. Leia failed, and her mission was eventually picked up by Luke Skywalker. Bail Organa was killed when the Death Star destroyed Alderaan. http://www.starwars.com/databank/character/bailorgana/index.html [/c olor]

 

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jedipadawanjoe14  762 posts
Registered: Jul '05
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Date Posted: 1/5/06 3:04pm Subject: RE: So Mace Windu isn't Dead when he gets pushed out of the window...
uwishuwereme posted:
Crazy_Old_Kermit posted:
It's just that I have a feeling that a lot of people who believe Mace is alive believe that Bail is in fact dead.


[color=blue]Star Wars Databank for Bail Organa

"Bail sent Leia on a mission to locate Obi-Wan Kenobi and recruit him into the Alliance to help face the Death Star challenge. Leia failed, and her mission was eventually picked up by Luke Skywalker. Bail Organa was killed when the Death Star destroyed Alderaan. http://www.starwars.com/databank/character/bailorgana/index.html [/c olor]


exactly..and the databank says mace is dead.....hes dead until some brainless author decides to create more eu movie wars by brining mace back for no other reason then to kill him again..pointeles

 
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Get_in_Gear  5101 posts
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Date Posted: 1/5/06 4:14pm Subject: RE: So Mace Windu isn't Dead when he gets pushed out of the window...
But, as Sin has been trying to point out - the EU authors have a new mandate from Lucasfilm.
Gone are the days when Palps and Fett can be brought back from the grave ad hoc.
Only in the Infinites series can authors be so bold, any resurrections will be purely non-canonitical.

 

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