Kirk_Kanos posted:MystikalMaceWindu posted:well, to add a new angle/idea to the fold, Yoda never reacts when Mace is in trouble, nor when he gets sent flying out the window. And that reaction that he does make seems to be in response to Anakin pledging himself to the Sith. And so, if Yoda doesn't react to Mace, then...... An interesting point, surely he would have felt a great lose to the force with the death of Mace, just like he felt the shift of balance when Ani turned. Think its a bit unfair to cut down this remark so quickly, GiG. A good point but I do still believe that Mace is killed in that scene and that is what we are intended to think
MystikalMaceWindu posted:well, to add a new angle/idea to the fold, Yoda never reacts when Mace is in trouble, nor when he gets sent flying out the window. And that reaction that he does make seems to be in response to Anakin pledging himself to the Sith. And so, if Yoda doesn't react to Mace, then......
darth-sinister posted:Why should Lucas show Yoda reacting to Mace's death? It wouldn't work in the narrative of the scene that it does when he reacts to Anakin's turn and later during Order 66.
darth-sinister posted:Any director can make it work. But they also have friends and editors to help them out. Roger Burton did the dialogue scenes and he kept it in line. Lucas had an idea that we only see Yoda react here and then again here.
MystikalMaceWindu posted:It's just too bad that GL's yes-men didn't tell him to leave that awful BALCONY pickup scene out of ROTS. And to think, they actually wrote that up later, thinking it had to go in. Geez. Would have spared us the sight of Portman's gaunt face. I watch it now, and still don't know hwy it seemed so necessary to Lucas. And they cut short numerous scenes (or rushed them) when they needed more room to breathe. Some scenes feel clunky, especially in the first half.
darth-sinister posted:MystikalMaceWindu posted:It's just too bad that GL's yes-men didn't tell him to leave that awful BALCONY pickup scene out of ROTS. And to think, they actually wrote that up later, thinking it had to go in. Geez. Would have spared us the sight of Portman's gaunt face. I watch it now, and still don't know hwy it seemed so necessary to Lucas. And they cut short numerous scenes (or rushed them) when they needed more room to breathe. Some scenes feel clunky, especially in the first half. Just cause someone says leave it out or change it, doesn't mean that he'll listen to them. Speilberg told Lucas to change Anakin's turn and he did. But when he and the others told him to change the Battle of Naboo, he did and then he undid it. The balcony scene was his way of making it clear that Anakin and Padme are very much in love, which then plays into the story later on. That Anakin is so in love with Padme that he will do whatever it takes to keep her. And Padme points out jokingly that love has blinded Anakin, but then it blinds her too. Lucas felt that it was important to convey this and so the balcony scene exists.
MystikalMaceWindu posted:Change the battle of Naboo? Back in TPM? how did they tell him to change it?
MystikalMaceWindu posted:I figured GL thought it necessary, but the scene's absurd. I already knew that Padme and Anakin are SUPPOSED To love each other (GL's been telegraphing that and telling us that since the beginning, it serves the story line, but we're never SHOWN that they love each other). They might as well be phoning in their performances, they don't have any chemistry. But the best scene that told me they love each other was when Anakin returns from crash landing the Invisible Hand, and he and Padme hug, and Anakin says it's the happiest moment in his life. I thought that was the most persuasive scene between the two. That balcony told me nothing except that GL can't write love dialogue. It was, by far, the hokiest love dialogue in any Star Wars movie, and that's saying a lot. I even prefer that whole "aggressive negotiations" bit during the arena battle in AOTC. That told me more about their relationship than anything. And I skip it every time I watch the movie, and I don't feel a single thing is missing. The scene could have been cut, could have been cut in half, and the movie would be the same. Really, what did it tell us that we didn't know? We already know he's thinking and acting blindly. We already know he cares for Padme and is worried about her. And if that's the point that GL was trying to make, that Anakin is blinded by love, he sure didn't persuade me of that. Again, simply having someone SAY something doesn't make it so. Imagine if Mace delivered his angry lines with a big, bright smile on his face. He's smiling and laughing and joking, and says, I'm angry. Sometimes GL falls into "no duh" dialogue. I will say, that balcony scene could have been much better, and Padme's face should have been kept out of the bright light. Ugh.
darth-sinister posted:MystikalMaceWindu posted:Change the battle of Naboo? Back in TPM? how did they tell him to change it? Lucas cut the battle one way. His friends told him that it would work better a different way. He edited it that way and the score was mixed. Then at the 11th hour, Lucas recut the battle once again. This is why the music seems disjointed. Speilberg, Howard, Coppla and others were involved in his test screening to friends. His own friends. The supposed "Yes men" told him honestly what to do. He did it and then changed his mind. MystikalMaceWindu posted:I figured GL thought it necessary, but the scene's absurd. I already knew that Padme and Anakin are SUPPOSED To love each other (GL's been telegraphing that and telling us that since the beginning, it serves the story line, but we're never SHOWN that they love each other). They might as well be phoning in their performances, they don't have any chemistry. But the best scene that told me they love each other was when Anakin returns from crash landing the Invisible Hand, and he and Padme hug, and Anakin says it's the happiest moment in his life. I thought that was the most persuasive scene between the two. That balcony told me nothing except that GL can't write love dialogue. It was, by far, the hokiest love dialogue in any Star Wars movie, and that's saying a lot. I even prefer that whole "aggressive negotiations" bit during the arena battle in AOTC. That told me more about their relationship than anything. And I skip it every time I watch the movie, and I don't feel a single thing is missing. The scene could have been cut, could have been cut in half, and the movie would be the same. Really, what did it tell us that we didn't know? We already know he's thinking and acting blindly. We already know he cares for Padme and is worried about her. And if that's the point that GL was trying to make, that Anakin is blinded by love, he sure didn't persuade me of that. Again, simply having someone SAY something doesn't make it so. Imagine if Mace delivered his angry lines with a big, bright smile on his face. He's smiling and laughing and joking, and says, I'm angry. Sometimes GL falls into "no duh" dialogue. I will say, that balcony scene could have been much better, and Padme's face should have been kept out of the bright light. Ugh. Lucas wanted to make us see that Anakin's only doing all of this, because his concept of love is totally off. People thought he turned out of revenge for someone or something. It's not. It's simply that he's greedy and his possessive love for his wife drives him to being evil. He wanted to make sure that it was evident. Besides, people in love will often say or do things that are "hokey".
