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vong333 
Registered: Oct '03
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Date Posted: 1/15/06 2:02pm Subject: RE: So Mace Windu isn't Dead when he gets pushed out of the window...
Whether the Battle of Naboo was changed or not, it still dosen't matter. The battle was off. The mixing of the music was just part of it. The whole action scene at the end was disjointed. Something that has become a trademark of the prequels. Despite its financial success.

 

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Greedo_forever 
Registered: May '05
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Date Posted: 1/16/06 8:50am Subject: RE: So Mace Windu isn't Dead when he gets pushed out of the window...
vong333 posted:
Whether the Battle of Naboo was changed or not, it still dosen't matter. The battle was off. The mixing of the music was just part of it. The whole action scene at the end was disjointed. Something that has become a trademark of the prequels. Despite its financial success.


Please elaborate : "the battle was off".

I found the ending fine.

 

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darth-sinister 
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Registered: Jun '01
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Date Posted: 1/16/06 1:19pm Subject: RE: So Mace Windu isn't Dead when he gets pushed out of the window...
MystikalMaceWindu posted:
But that whole blatantly obvious business is a disservice to viewers. I'm reminded of how there are people debating as to whether Palpatine was the apprentice who kills Darth Plageuis. They wanted a line in which Palpatine proclaims, I am the apprentice. If these same people just use a little bit of their minds, they would know it's implied. Just see the smug leer that Palpatine gives when he talks about Plageuis dying.
It would be awkward and forced if Palpatine said, I'm the apprentice.
Imagine if every scene in the movie were done in such a manner. Maybe GL can make Sith: The Obvious Version for those who can't perceive implications and need everything telegraphed to them. Or perhaps they would like a set of director's notes, like subtitles at the bottom of the screen, explaining every second of the movie.
Star Wars isn't exactly the most deep or complex of movies.
And I like Palpatine's story exactly the way it is.
And I wish that GL could have written the love scenes with a similar, more realistic set of lines. Sure, people say hokey stuff when in love. And there were scenes between Padme and Anakin which weren't all too bad. Again, when they meet in Sith, after the Invisible Hand crashes, and also during that prairie picnic scene.... that whole bit about not teasing a senator. I actually like that scene.
Anyway, my basic point is, more than anything, the lines in the love scenes could have used a tweaking.



Anakin and Padme's relationship is based on an old school style. It was meant to convey a different time and mentality. That's why their relationship is vastly different from Han and Leia's. You have a guy who doesn't know how to be in love with a woman. He's just pouring out his heart, but his heart is full of a possessive type of love. He's not experienced in the ways in the world. He doesn't understand how to be sutble (sp).

This scene also convey that Anakin is at his happiness for the last time. Everything is perfect to him. He has a wife, a child on the way, he's a Jedi and a hero. He has everything that he always wanted, but now things are about to change.

He knows that he isn't good at romantic dialogue, but this is the way he wanted it. He knows that he has to make it stick that his world is about to change and Anakin hates change.

 

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MystikalMaceWindu 
Registered: Feb '05
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Date Posted: 1/16/06 2:11pm Subject: RE: So Mace Windu isn't Dead when he gets pushed out of the window...
darth-sinister posted:
MystikalMaceWindu posted:
But that whole blatantly obvious business is a disservice to viewers. I'm reminded of how there are people debating as to whether Palpatine was the apprentice who kills Darth Plageuis. They wanted a line in which Palpatine proclaims, I am the apprentice. If these same people just use a little bit of their minds, they would know it's implied. Just see the smug leer that Palpatine gives when he talks about Plageuis dying.
It would be awkward and forced if Palpatine said, I'm the apprentice.
Imagine if every scene in the movie were done in such a manner. Maybe GL can make Sith: The Obvious Version for those who can't perceive implications and need everything telegraphed to them. Or perhaps they would like a set of director's notes, like subtitles at the bottom of the screen, explaining every second of the movie.
Star Wars isn't exactly the most deep or complex of movies.
And I like Palpatine's story exactly the way it is.
And I wish that GL could have written the love scenes with a similar, more realistic set of lines. Sure, people say hokey stuff when in love. And there were scenes between Padme and Anakin which weren't all too bad. Again, when they meet in Sith, after the Invisible Hand crashes, and also during that prairie picnic scene.... that whole bit about not teasing a senator. I actually like that scene.
Anyway, my basic point is, more than anything, the lines in the love scenes could have used a tweaking.



Anakin and Padme's relationship is based on an old school style. It was meant to convey a different time and mentality. That's why their relationship is vastly different from Han and Leia's. You have a guy who doesn't know how to be in love with a woman. He's just pouring out his heart, but his heart is full of a possessive type of love. He's not experienced in the ways in the world. He doesn't understand how to be sutble (sp).

This scene also convey that Anakin is at his happiness for the last time. Everything is perfect to him. He has a wife, a child on the way, he's a Jedi and a hero. He has everything that he always wanted, but now things are about to change.

He knows that he isn't good at romantic dialogue, but this is the way he wanted it. He knows that he has to make it stick that his world is about to change and Anakin hates change.


There were some lines that were fine to me. But others drop like a lead ball.
that balcony scene was especially bad.
"No, it's because i'm so in love with YOU." ugggh. Even the delivery was poor. anyway, it's all small beans, because I just skip that scene. ahhh... the power of DVD!

 

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darth-sinister 
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Date Posted: 1/17/06 12:14am Subject: RE: So Mace Windu isn't Dead when he gets pushed out of the window...
Well, he is in love with her. He's in a happy mood. That's what being in love is all about. Padme follows this up with the love has blinded him, which is where things are really important to both of them. Love has blinded them to the reality that things are going to change. They are going to change. And neither one will see the truth, because they won't let themselves see it.

 

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MystikalMaceWindu 
Registered: Feb '05
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Date Posted: 1/17/06 1:23am Subject: RE: So Mace Windu isn't Dead when he gets pushed out of the window...
darth-sinister posted:
Well, he is in love with her. He's in a happy mood. That's what being in love is all about. Padme follows this up with the love has blinded him, which is where things are really important to both of them. Love has blinded them to the reality that things are going to change. They are going to change. And neither one will see the truth, because they won't let themselves see it.


Yes, but even in Sith and AOTC, their love was captured better, in other scenes.
I don't need things told to me, I'd rather be shown.
I understand the reason for it, but that still doesn't change that the dialogue was poor and the acting weak.
Understanding a director's intent, or knowing what the scene means, doesn't make the scene good.

 

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so-fly 
Registered: Jan '06
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Date Posted: 1/17/06 2:01am Subject: RE: So Mace Windu isn't Dead when he gets pushed out of the window...
Mace survived. Star Wars happened a long time ago remember, and Mace played Jules in Pulp Fiction which was released in 1994. So of course he made it. Sheesh. laugh

 

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DragonBalls 
Registered: Jan '06
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Date Posted: 1/17/06 2:22am Subject: RE: So Mace Windu isn't Dead when he gets pushed out of the window...
Yep the guys dead

 

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Darth_Killer________ 
Registered: Jun '05
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Date Posted: 1/22/06 6:04pm Subject: RE: So Mace Windu isn't Dead when he gets pushed out of the window...
He`s dead, live with it!
frustrated

 

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Barriss_Coffee 
Registered: Jun '03
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Date Posted: 1/22/06 6:34pm Subject: RE: So Mace Windu isn't Dead when he gets pushed out of the window...
Who's the sadist who made this thread?


George Lucas?

 

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Chancellor_Ewok 
Registered: Nov '04
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Date Posted: 1/22/06 6:50pm Subject: RE: So Mace Windu isn't Dead when he gets pushed out of the window...
darth-sinister posted:
Anakin and Padme's relationship is based on an old school style. It was meant to convey a different time and mentality. That's why their relationship is vastly different from Han and Leia's. You have a guy who doesn't know how to be in love with a woman. He's just pouring out his heart, but his heart is full of a possessive type of love. He's not experienced in the ways in the world. He doesn't understand how to be sutble (sp).

This scene also convey that Anakin is at his happiness for the last time. Everything is perfect to him. He has a wife, a child on the way, he's a Jedi and a hero. He has everything that he always wanted, but now things are about to change.

He knows that he isn't good at romantic dialogue, but this is the way he wanted it. He knows that he has to make it stick that his world is about to change and Anakin hates change.


Exactly, I keep trying tp explain this to people, but nobody seems to get it. The romantic dialogue between Anakin and Padme seems stiff and awkward because its SUPPOSED to be that way. George easily could have had Padme and Anakin flirt and hit on each other like Han and Leia, but he wanted to make it clear that this was a more civilized era and one of the waya he chose to do that was by making the romatic dialogue stiff and formal.

 

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TheCRZA 
Registered: May '05
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Date Posted: 1/23/06 12:14am Subject: RE: So Mace Windu isn't Dead when he gets pushed out of the window...
Here's a crazy thought
and i'm just spitballing here
Anakin and Padme are crazy in love
but they get no time together during the war.
No honeymooon period.
No slow getting to know one another
as independent adults.
They give in to their desire
and wed and then Anakin is whisked off
to the outer rim.
Anyone else married out there?
Any idea how long it takes to develop
a new rapport and dialog, regardless
of how long you've known someone?

What do people want here?

 

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Get_in_Gear 
Registered: Nov '04
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Date Posted: 1/23/06 4:47am Subject: RE: So Mace Windu isn't Dead when he gets pushed out of the window...
I agree.
People tend to forget that their relationship is based around a 10-year-old dream and an emerging crush on the Jedi toy boy.
I'm not saying that Padmé and Ani's feelings for one another are ingenuine, just that they don't really evr have time to actually get to know one another - in a way it's just fantasy fulfilment on both their parts.
They get married, and then Ani is involved in a war.
I'm surprised they even saw enough of each other to concieve children...
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Nobody ever said it was meant to look like the perfect relationship - look at where they end up, for Chrisakes!
They are in love, but still awkward in each other's company.
In fact they are in love with the idea of each other - in reality, they don't even know each other.

 

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Registered: Oct '03
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Date Posted: 1/25/06 12:48pm Subject: RE: So Mace Windu isn't Dead when he gets pushed out of the window...







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windu25 
Registered: Jul '05
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Date Posted: 1/25/06 2:58pm Subject: RE: So Mace Windu isn't Dead when he gets pushed out of the window...
I'm I going to have the pleasure of seeing you post the same pictures in every thread today?

Just wondering...

 

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