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EwokThatCried Registered: May '03	Date Posted: 5/10/05 9:54am Subject: Palpatine's Ultimate Failure in ROTS...
	Despite his shrewd, conniving, manipulative nature... despite his cruel perversion of the truth and grand deception, Palpatine's failure is extraordinary... Yes the galaxy is turned upside down and the Jedi are crushed, but what power has actually been achieved? Palpatine has had control since TPM - pulling strings as the grand puppet master in order to attain his ultimate power... But does he actually achieve it? He thinks he has, until something he could not foresee destroys his chances to attain the ultimate power, something he cannot do for himself. Something beyond his grasp. Why...? Enter Obi-Wan Kenobi. At the height of the Master Sith's glory, Obi-Wan Kenobi takes away the Emperor's ultimate prize... Darth Vader. The Emperor's prize is considerably damaged and will never be what Palpatine had hoped for. In fact, one might say that in the moment Vader emerges from the fire, Palpatine's control of the Force starts to slip... slowly, without warning... and the Emperor realizes how unfulfilling it is to exist without the ultimate power he craved. The Empire was not even close to quenching his thirst... it could never be enough. But Anakin had nothing more to offer his master. He was made pathetic and impotent... and the Emperor was displeased. And his power began slipping, the Force becomes clouded, and for all his cunning, he cannot control the end. All he achieved is fear - fear of Luke Skywalker, fear of losing what power he gained, and anger - anger that he would never, ever attain the power he sought from the Chosen One. For all his grand effort, the Emperor fails in ROTS - though in his pride he cannot see. His overconfidence led him to believe he was untouchable... Then along came the Kenobi, who in the end, is truly the invincible character of Star Wars. -----signature----- "Sir Carrie Fisher's Nipple" of the Knights of The 3SA Sarcasm Table George Lucas is a NO voter Overpowers means overpowers Gone, consumed, lost, murdered, ceased, destroyed, twisted, evil Outer Rim Sieges - http://boards.outerrimsieges.com
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Import_Jedi Registered: Aug '01	Date Posted: 5/10/05 9:55am Subject: RE: Palpatine's Ultimate Failure in ROTS...
	Interesting post. Obi rules. -----signature----- Ms. Stormie likes donuts. "Sir Purple-headed Yogurt Slinger " of The Knights of The Sarcasm Table** Tribute to the Knights: http://www.rich-parno.com/aa_3SAknights.html
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Jager Registered: Apr '05	Date Posted: 5/10/05 9:57am Subject: RE: Palpatine's Ultimate Failure in ROTS...
	Great post and you are right.
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Jade40291 Registered: Mar '05	Date Posted: 5/10/05 9:57am Subject: RE: Palpatine's Ultimate Failure in ROTS...
	Very interesting point! I agree that had Obi-Wan been destroyed earlier on then the saga would be quite different. "If you strike me down, I will become more powerful than you can possibly imagine." New meaning behind those words after ROTS??? I think so. I mean look at it this way, it was after Obi died that all of a sudded Palpatine's visions and things that he'd foreseen did not come to pass. The element that clouded his vision was Obi-Wan, reaching out from the force itself to ensure that Luke, with Yoda's help truly became the New Hope. This thread rocks!
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AHAMODE Registered: Dec '03	Date Posted: 5/10/05 9:58am Subject: RE: Palpatine's Ultimate Failure in ROTS...
	Well thought out and a nice uplifting theory for ROTS.
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sithforcemaster Registered: Aug '04	Date Posted: 5/10/05 9:58am Subject: RE: Palpatine's Ultimate Failure in ROTS...
	I personally think that being the catalyst for destroying the Jedi order, Amassing the greatest army ever to exist, becoming an emperor, and turning the one person that is prophesied to destroy you into a personal slave for decades is far from failure. And to think he did this single-handedly through deceit. Brilliant. If anything - Sidious has accomplished more than any other Sith, and in a shorter timeframe. -----signature----- Beware the ways of the Sithforce or it will forever dominate your destiny.
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Sith_Lord_of_Silence Registered: Mar '02	Date Posted: 5/10/05 9:59am Subject: RE: Palpatine's Ultimate Failure in ROTS...
	Obi-wan is the man/pimp...to be sure. I don't know what to say other than Palpatine's plans just never seem to work out "precisely according to his design." I mean, hell, TPM didn't work out just as he wanted because he lost Maul; Senator Amidala was never assasinated in Episode II; Anakin gets charred in RotS; the Death Star gets blown up in Episode IV; Luke escapes Vader and Vader tries to betray Palpidious by recruiting Luke to his side in Episode V; then there's the incident with the shaft, the apprentice that turns, and the ultimate fall of the Empire. Palpatine's track record for planning is extremely suspect, IMHO. -----signature----- You're going to die here you know...conveniently. Defenestration...the best way to go.
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Blaine_The_Mono Registered: Apr '05	Date Posted: 5/10/05 10:01am Subject: RE: Palpatine's Ultimate Failure in ROTS...
	Yeah, interesting. But I wouldn't see Vader as pathetic. Yes, he was nowhere near as powerful as he could of been, but he was still strong. -----signature----- "Blaine is a pain, and that is the truth." "A Lannister always pays his debts..."
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Shirefox Registered: Oct '04	Date Posted: 5/10/05 10:02am Subject: RE: Palpatine's Ultimate Failure in ROTS...
	The maiming of Vader is a disappointment and inconvenience, but it doesn't prevent Sidious from getting what he wants. Yes, he wants Anakin, but he is only a tool to increase his power. He continues to use Vader until a better tool comes along. As far as Obi-Wan, it could be argued just as easily that he nearly killed the Chosen One and made Sidious's victory complete.
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EwokThatCried Registered: May '03	Date Posted: 5/10/05 10:06am Subject: RE: Palpatine's Ultimate Failure in ROTS...
	Sidious feels he has ensnared the Chosen One - potentially the most gifted Force user. He would have Anakin's power and strength - he would have Anakin unlock the mysteries of the Force, discover immortality... but for all his effort he fails to destroy the influence of Obi-Wan Kenobi. He can destroy a corrupt Republic, but can never destroy the uncorruptable Ben. -----signature----- "Sir Carrie Fisher's Nipple" of the Knights of The 3SA Sarcasm Table George Lucas is a NO voter Overpowers means overpowers Gone, consumed, lost, murdered, ceased, destroyed, twisted, evil Outer Rim Sieges - http://boards.outerrimsieges.com
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Jager Registered: Apr '05	Date Posted: 5/10/05 10:19am Subject: RE: Palpatine's Ultimate Failure in ROTS...
	He can destroy a corrupt Republic, but can never destroy the uncorruptable Ben. One of the best points in a post ever....bravo! I'll remember that line.
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Snork Registered: Jan '05	Date Posted: 5/10/05 10:58am Subject: RE: Palpatine's Ultimate Failure in ROTS...
	Sidious should have remembered the following: If you want something done, do it yourself.
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whiteeagle Registered: Dec '04	Date Posted: 5/10/05 11:24am Subject: RE: Palpatine's Ultimate Failure in ROTS...
	i think palpatine's failure was his faith in vader, he had vader until luke came. -----signature----- "You can have anything in life if you will sacrifice everything else for it." - J M Barrie "A man can be destroyed but not defeated" -Ernest Hemingway Oklahoma Sooners: 12-2
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EwokThatCried Registered: May '03	Date Posted: 5/10/05 11:26am Subject: RE: Palpatine's Ultimate Failure in ROTS...
	And that's just it. He chides Luke for "faith in friends" but fails to surround himself with competent people he can rely on. Fear is his only ally, but it is controllable from the other side. For all that power, he could do nothing but hide and wait... and when his allies failed, he could do nothing - he still could not expose himself. And the very power he craved, thinking he was drawing it in, he only pushed it away. And what was his ultimate mistake? The title speaks for itself: Revenge of the Sith. He did it for revenge. And the ironic thing about it is he handed his enemies the key to his own destruction. The fact that he revealed himself at all was a vain misstep. Had he remained the shadow, he could have possibly achieved his ultimate goal... But instead, his pride, anger and lust for revenge was used to destroy the fabric of the Jedi - tearing them asunder, but unbinding them in the process... for now they have the key, a key that was hidden... the key Palpatine is seeking. He believes Vader holds this key, but he does not and never would hold this key. Now Palpatine has only opened the Jedi's minds to new possibilities - something he cannot control or manipulate. And the very key to immortality falls into Obi-Wan's hands... one who wasn't even searching for it. The Chosen One doesn't recognize, the Emperor does not recognize it, and slowly they fester and grow confused and sense their own fear. And they become blind... Until Luke passes on the key to Anakin - his father... and Anakin unlocks the Emperor's doom and seals his own immortality. -----signature----- "Sir Carrie Fisher's Nipple" of the Knights of The 3SA Sarcasm Table George Lucas is a NO voter Overpowers means overpowers Gone, consumed, lost, murdered, ceased, destroyed, twisted, evil Outer Rim Sieges - http://boards.outerrimsieges.com
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Darth-Metalordie Registered: Apr '05	Date Posted: 5/10/05 11:30am Subject: RE: Palpatine's Ultimate Failure in ROTS...
	WRONG WRONG WRONG The best thing that could have happened to Palpatine was that he gets a weakened Sith apprentice rather than a full one. Sure Vader kicks major a$$, but remember how the Sith are two and the apprentice usually turn on the master. Surely, Palpatine knew this. Now, he had a powerful Sith apprentice who was more powerful than the Jedi but not powerful enough to take on Sidious. For the next twenty years, Palpatine is in Darkside dreamland...
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EwokThatCried Registered: May '03	Date Posted: 5/10/05 11:36am Subject: RE: Palpatine's Ultimate Failure in ROTS...
	Palpatine is quite displeased with Darth Vader - he is not what was expected. He would rather find someone stronger - like Luke. Palpatine just cannot win in the apprentice arena. And though the Emepror thinks he stole the Chosen One - eliminating the chances he would be a threat, he also could not prevent the impotence... he needed Vader to be powerful, he got a pathetic man-machine. -----signature----- "Sir Carrie Fisher's Nipple" of the Knights of The 3SA Sarcasm Table George Lucas is a NO voter Overpowers means overpowers Gone, consumed, lost, murdered, ceased, destroyed, twisted, evil Outer Rim Sieges - http://boards.outerrimsieges.com
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