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RedHeadKevin Registered: May '04	Date Posted: 5/23/05 5:22am Subject: RE: Clones already knew about Order 66?
	I think the most interesting question being asked is "what were orders 1-65, and 67+?" If they only had 66 orders, then killing the Jedi must have been fairly high on the list. I must say, it was nice to see Stormtroopers that could hit something for a change, even if they did have to stand on the droid's head and shoot it. Oh, and mods, an "Order 1-65 and 66+" humor thread could probably be funny as hell.
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Shadow_of_Evil Registered: Nov '01	Date Posted: 5/23/05 5:27am Subject: RE: Clones already knew about Order 66?
	Oh god. Can't wait for n00b season to end. Sifo Dyas is NOT Sidious! End of story. -----signature----- I love climbing, because it feels so good when I stop....
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Sith_Hits_The_Fan Registered: Dec '03	Date Posted: 5/23/05 5:29am Subject: RE: Clones already knew about Order 66?
	poodoo, I was thinking of a smart reply, but in the light of the greatness of this movie: forget about it. You're right. -----signature----- how ya like my new sig?
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poodookoo Registered: Feb '04	Date Posted: 5/23/05 5:52am Subject: RE: Clones already knew about Order 66?
	Yes , the movie was truly great!! -----signature----- WAR! The Republic is crumbling under attacks by the ruthless Sith Lord, COUNT DOOKU. There are heroes on both sides. Evil is everywhere.
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Taffin Registered: Apr '05	Date Posted: 5/23/05 6:00am Subject: RE: Clones already knew about Order 66?
	I think a Manchurian Candidate subliminal thing cheapens the horror of Order 66. As many people have noted, the clones cannot think for themselves (outside of possibly devising new ways to accomplish their missions) and are loyal to Sidious. They're really more like droids than people in this regard. They are born to fight and die and take orders. If they had ANY kind of free will, don't you think there'd be some deserters? After watching ROTS, I can't even look at the clones the same way, knowing that they will lay their lives down for and obey the Jedi, but will drop that total loyalty as soon as Sidious gives Order 66. I think that's awesome. Truly upsetting, just like all my favorite characters dying in ROTJ made me cry like a litle girl when I was a kid. The two biggest reasons I believe this is that 1) they don't enter a trance after receiving the order and they communicate with other clones to coordinate the attacks who did not receive the order (thus no subliminal state was triggered in them) and act like they were ready for this and 2) as mentioned in the book, Cody thinks to himself that he wished the order came through before he gave Obi-Wan back his saber. No [robotic voice] "I MUST KILL JEDI," just the reaction a clear thinking clone would have.
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DarthBullGates Registered: Dec '02	Date Posted: 5/23/05 6:00am Subject: RE: Clones already knew about Order 66?
	Hi all, this is my take on it Darth Sidious is Sifa Dias (SI-DI = SIDIous) This is incorrect. Sifo was a Jedi who died about the time of TPM. The similarity is because I believe GL originally intended for him to have been a non-existant Jedi whom Sidious posed as. That was changed in the end. -----signature----- I am an Amy Allen groupie! Anakin is Vader, Sidious is Palps, Condolleeza Rice is Yoda "I Do Not Fear, I Party Hard" -Dancin Darth Vader -Ep III "My Hands! My Hands!!!" - Darth Vader EP III Why couldn't Xenia Seeberg have been a Jedi?
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mezzmor Registered: Oct '04	Date Posted: 5/23/05 6:40am Subject: RE: Clones already knew about Order 66?
	Order 66 wasn't just the order for the eradication of the jedi. Order 66 was for the eradication of the Jedi AND the imperial takeover...case in point - the Utapauans post-order 66 that are kneeling with their hands above their heads, and the stormtrooper powered walkers as they are looking for wookies. Although these scenes were (I think) to depict them looking for the missing Jedi, they also were there to tell us that this is where the empire turned the non-human worlds into slave worlds.
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DarthTravis Registered: Mar '04	Date Posted: 5/23/05 6:44am Subject: RE: Clones already knew about Order 66?
	Since I can't make my own topic, Shouldn't Order 66 have been Order 1138 instead!?! -----signature----- Let me forget about today until tomorrow.
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My young Padawan Registered: Sep '99	Date Posted: 5/23/05 6:44am Subject: RE: Clones already knew about Order 66?
	Dooku told Sidious about a Jedi Master by the name of Sifo Dyas who had recently passed away. Sidious used this name to place the order of Clones in the name of the Republic. He would therefore have made Order 66 an essential part of their training. The only reason that the Clones helped the Republic to defeat the Separatists at the Battle of Geonosis was because Sidious commanded them to. The film left the audience with the impression that the Jedi were responsible for bringing the Clones into battle when in fact they would never have been released to the Jedi without the approval of the Supreme Chancellor. Sidious has been running the show all along. -----signature----- "Klaatu barada nikto."
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medleyoz Registered: May '02	Date Posted: 5/23/05 6:57am Subject: RE: Clones already knew about Order 66?
	Yeah Palpy was running the show. They basically, with that book reference about Cody wishing he had'nt given obi his saber, were told by Palpy to follow the Jedi until he said otherwise ie order 66 -----signature----- WARNING: your posting can harm others When the whole damn world is dead there's your ******* peace.
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Destaphenes Registered: May '05	Date Posted: 5/23/05 8:48am Subject: RE: Clones already knew about Order 66?
	I saw ROTS Saturday and watched AOTC again last night. One thing that seemed pretty obvious to me was that the kaminos aren't very perceptive with humans. Obi-Wan showed up relatively clueless as to the whole clone army order, but they still stuck to their assumption that he was there to check on the order's status. Now you or I would look at Obi-Wan's questions and say, "Waiiiit a minute! You don't know anything about this, what ARE you doing here then?" Instead the kaminos (after all Obi-Wans noob questions) are just, "Surely you'll want to see the progress we've made." Obi-Wan: "Er... that's, uh, why I'm here! ~smile~" Kaminos are an entirely different race, people are forgetting. Everything about humans seems odd, hence the reason there'd be no qualms regarding Order 66. For all they know, betraying the jedi knights is some sort of coming-of-age ritual or the standard on how lieutenants get promoted to captain. I don't see why people would expect them to see Order 66 as something they should step up to and question, or deny.
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DarthWookie56 Registered: May '05	Date Posted: 5/23/05 11:37am Subject: RE: Clones already knew about Order 66?
	It seems obvious they somehow knew. Seems more of a "use your imagination" kind of topic to me. My questions revolve around Sidious is pretending to be Sypho-Dias (spelling?). If this is the case then who erases the record of Kamino from the Jedi Archive, and when? Was it Dooku? If not Dooku then who?
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Franakin Registered: May '05	Date Posted: 5/23/05 4:26pm Subject: RE: Clones already knew about Order 66?
	I think it's spelled SIFO DIYAS... Anyways, since I can't make my own topic, I have a question about Order 66. Since Palpy gave the order and it was "pre-programmed" in them. How were the Clones to know NOT to Kill Anakin? He's a JEDI and it seems that no one really Informed them that Anakin had turned to the Dark side and on Palpy's side now? Your Thoughts????
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The_Lord_Vader Registered: Apr '05	Date Posted: 5/23/05 4:36pm Subject: RE: Clones already knew about Order 66?
	The record of Kamino in the Jedi archives may have been erased by Jango Fett, though highly unlikely. I'm sticking with Sifo Diyas was the one who erased it. Convieniently, Sifo Diyas is also Count Dooku. You think Dooku would go under the same name when he turned dark? No one ever does that. Plus, when Obi-Wan holos Mace and Yoda from Kamino and tells them there was an army created in Sifo Diyas' name, Windu and Yoda exchange looks like they know something you don't. -----signature----- ...and he didn't have time to scream
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TwilightTraveler Registered: Aug '04	Date Posted: 5/23/05 5:00pm Subject: RE: Clones already knew about Order 66?
	I can't believe we're on the "who is Syfo-Dyas" thing. sigh Syfo-Dyas was on the Jedi council around the time of the events of TPM. For those of you who read the novel for AOTC, you'll know that Dooku left the Jedi Order shortly after this time. Obi-Wan states in AOTC that he was "under the impression that he (Syfo-Dyas) was killed before then", implying that the clones were not ordered until after Syfo-Dyas was dead. Now, if my logic is correct, this implies that Dooku, shortly before his departure from the Jedi Order, had already sided with Sidious and removed Kamino from the Jedi Archives. Either immediately before or after this removal from the Archives, Dooku recruited Jango on "one of the moons of Bogden", and placed the order for the clones. Supporting this theory and logic is the AOTC novel, which states that Lama Su (Prime Minister of Kamino) felt "a Jedi would be the perfect choice, but Sifo-Dyas (Dooku impersonating Syfo-Dyas) handpicked Jango himself." Syfo-Dyas was a "red herring" as it was meant to be. It shouldn't have created this much confusion, and was meant to only indicate that Sids was behind the whole war to begin with. As for Order 66, my guess would be it was part of their training. To "program" them, sounds a bit out there, even for Star Wars. All the genetic engineering was for growth accelleration and to make them more obident and docile than Jango. -----signature----- There ain't no courage, when there ain't no fear... Those with the least to offer, seem to say the most!! http://www.soundclick.com/twilighttraveler
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