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WLDB Registered: Jan '04	Date Posted: 5/17/05 9:39pm Subject: RE: The Youngling Slaughter - What's your opinion now that you've seen it?
	Kids see worse things on TV and videogames today anyway. -----signature----- I will not deny anything I did not say-Brian Mulroney Well if it be so, than so be it. Just watch me-Pierre Trudeau One death is a tragedy, a million, a statistic-Joseph Stalin A proof is a proof. What kind of a proof? It's a proof. A proof is a proof. An
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Padme Bra Title: Administrator Emeritus Registered: Jul '99	Date Posted: 5/18/05 6:47am Subject: RE: The Youngling Slaughter - What's your opinion now that you've seen it?
	midget in a furry suit getting killed... Is it Friday night already?
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DarthFett77 Registered: Oct '04	Date Posted: 5/18/05 7:09am Subject: RE: The Youngling Slaughter - What's your opinion now that you've seen it?
	TrueJedi: What you are talking about is pointless. Vader was told to kill the younlings, like other said, because they would be a threat, and because it would create a huge plot hole. Think about this. If a 5 year old pulled a gun on me in an alley, I'd punch the kid in the face throw him against the wall and walk away. Seriously, I really wouldn't care if they are 'innocent'. In Vader's case they have lethal weapons that could cut him apart. He surely isn't acting in self defence, he was there to kill them anyway, but it's not like they were defenceless. They had their Master (The 'Troll') and they have their own LIGHTSABERS. The youngling slaughter is an essential part in the movie. -----signature-----
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Saurion-Fett Registered: Jul '01	Date Posted: 5/18/05 12:25pm Subject: RE: The Youngling Slaughter - What's your opinion now that you've seen it?
	Any New opinions
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Master_Rebado Registered: May '04	Date Posted: 5/18/05 12:40pm Subject: RE: The Youngling Slaughter - What's your opinion now that you've seen it?
	The scene isn't graphic and the slaughter of them is left to Anakins' activating lightsabre and later Yoda identifying a youngling with lightsabre wounds. For me the moment that the youngling asks Anakin what they should do and knowing that Anakin is about to murder them is very emotive and clearly demonstrates why Vader is evil... -----signature----- Learn to use the Dark Side of the Force and you will achieve a power greater than any mod
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TrueJedi Registered: Jun '00	Date Posted: 5/18/05 12:44pm Subject: RE: The Youngling Slaughter - What's your opinion now that you've seen it?
	The youngling slaughter is an essential part in the movie. So you're saying that we need to see this stuff rather than assume it? -----signature----- You do not truly know someone until you steal their wallet. I'm the originator of the title, "EP III: Revenge of the Sith", so give me my accolades. 1977: May The Force Be With You 1999: May You Have Enough Midichlorians To Use The Force
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Prequel_Dreamer Registered: Mar '04	Date Posted: 5/18/05 12:56pm Subject: RE: The Youngling Slaughter - What's your opinion now that you've seen it?
	I think the fact that Anakin went so far as to slaughter younglings was essential to the movie. Showing the younglings dying would have been nauseating I think. Showing the results I think shows a nice shack moment where you're like "Oh my God, he's gone too far"! I understand your viewpoint TrueJedi. I'm a father so the thought of dead toddlers is horrifying to me. But I see the artistic merit in doing it this way. It works for the character of Anakin and the story. At least it did in the novel. Whether it works on the screen I do not yet know. I'll give my opinion tommorow. -----signature----- May the Kool-Aid be with you! May 19th, 2005 "Oh Yeah!"
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Kenobis_Babe Registered: Jun '02	Date Posted: 5/18/05 1:09pm Subject: RE: The Youngling Slaughter - What's your opinion now that you've seen it?
	For me the moment that the youngling asks Anakin what they should do and knowing that Anakin is about to murder them is very emotive and clearly demonstrates why Vader is evil... This is the way I feel about it. Again we have to actually see how it plays out; but, I think it would be too easy to rationalize that Anakin/Vader isn't so bad if we don't actually see him do evil things. It's too easy to say, well, "maybe the Troopers shot them and Anakin wasn't involved, maybe the children escaped somehow or maybe this or maybe that". If we see him making a deliberate decision to strike them down, as well as, choking Padmé later on, there will be no doubt why Darth Vader is the most feared villian in the universe. I'm glad Lucas chose to let the dark side be clearly shown for all to see. -----signature----- "And although the face is hideous, he doesn't care--Hideous Sidious, they go together."-Ian McDiarmid
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PRINCESS-FOX Registered: May '05	Date Posted: 5/18/05 1:13pm Subject: RE: The Youngling Slaughter - What's your opinion now that you've seen it?
	I was fortunate enough to see ROTS last night at an early screening. The youngling death seen was appropriate and not graphic. Anyone who follows SWs needs to be aware of the tragic nature of Anakin's fall to the dark side and into Darth Vader. I found the scenes when Anakin was physically deformed to be far more disturbing, but also necessary.
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Runecrow Registered: Apr '05	Date Posted: 5/18/05 1:21pm Subject: RE: The Youngling Slaughter - What's your opinion now that you've seen it?
	Imagine the younglings being marched away with their hands on their heads by Clone Trooper guard. Dude, did you not see Conan the Barbarian? Did you not understand the riddle of steel? The only thing that you get if you spare the children and take them into servitude is a huge, muscle-bound, pissed-off barbarian hacking your head off in front of a crowd of people and then tossing it to roll down a flight of stairs making the sound of a rubbery-melon twenty years after you should've killed him. Please. -----signature----- Walks on his own, with thoughts he can't help thinking; Future's above; but in the past he's slow and sinking. Caught a bolt of lightning: cursed the day he let it go.
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Kenobis_Babe Registered: Jun '02	Date Posted: 5/18/05 1:22pm Subject: RE: The Youngling Slaughter - What's your opinion now that you've seen it?
	LOL@Runecrow! Well said. -----signature----- "And although the face is hideous, he doesn't care--Hideous Sidious, they go together."-Ian McDiarmid
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Panakas_Dawg Registered: Jul '04	Date Posted: 5/18/05 1:26pm Subject: RE: The Youngling Slaughter - What's your opinion now that you've seen it?
	Actually, Rune, if you spare the children, you end up with poorly-written EU to fill in all the blanks. -----signature----- "My little green friend!" "Time to abandon ship!" "Sith Lords are our specialty." "Power! Unlimited power!!!" ROTS=the best
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Kay-Elle Registered: May '02	Date Posted: 5/18/05 1:30pm Subject: RE: The Youngling Slaughter - What's your opinion now that you've seen it?
	To all those who protest to this scene: Firstly, if you haven't seen the film yet - you do not see the actual slaughter. It was done tastefully. Furthermore, this scene was inevitable. We know, in the old trilogy, all the Jedi have been wiped out. Luke & Leia are the LAST. There are no secret colonies of younglings hiding on Degobah. They're all dead by the time of A New Hope. Lucas has also hinted this - not only by the destruction of the sand peeople, but also when he intruduced the younglings and the Jedi Temple. I remember there was a thread here called "Younglings - Deadlings??" With a story like the new trilogy - where there is in fact the unique situation that one knows the ending, you need to make the ending EVEN WORSE to create an impact. In film terms - showing the happy little younglings prior to Episode III was the "setup" - their death was the "payoff" and in this story, was truly and utterly inevitable. Yes, the scene makes you go "OH NO" inside - but that would be the entire point. Anakin - the main character which you've probably grown to love is turning evil - you're SUPPOSED to go "OH NO". The only thing that bothered me personally; is that from character psychology, Anakin did not seem far enough gone yet by the time he killed them - I find he turned too easily, but maybe that's just me. On the final note: if you know anything about Star Wars, you knew this is not going to be a feel-good movie. It's the end of the beginning, and the beginning of the end. A good guy turns bad. This is a serious issue. And I believe that it is right to show it in all it's ugliness, because it IS ugly. All in all, I think Lucas made some brave choices in this film. The killing of the younglings was one of them. Not doing so, would make it lose a lot. -----signature----- So this is how liberty ends - with thunderous applause
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TrueJedi Registered: Jun '00	Date Posted: 5/18/05 1:39pm Subject: RE: The Youngling Slaughter - What's your opinion now that you've seen it?
	Would it be wrong to ask for my money back after the movie is over because I was disturbed by the Youngling slaughter issue? I could say something like: "What kind of toddler snuff film are you people playing in this theater?!! I threw up in my popcorn because of that!! I'll be having nightmares for years to come!! I'm going to send you my psych counseling bill!! -----signature----- You do not truly know someone until you steal their wallet. I'm the originator of the title, "EP III: Revenge of the Sith", so give me my accolades. 1977: May The Force Be With You 1999: May You Have Enough Midichlorians To Use The Force
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Plo_Koen Registered: May '01	Date Posted: 5/18/05 2:09pm Subject: RE: The Youngling Slaughter - What's your opinion now that you've seen it?
	ok, I've seen RotS... But I haven't seen a youngling slaughter. -----signature----- My mind is not in my body, my body is in my mind.
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