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LeiaSkywalker4 Registered: Apr '05	Date Posted: 7/3/05 4:35pm Subject: RE: Lines / Sequences in the OT given new meaning after ROTS
	Well, I wanted to start a new post about what I am going to say, but I didn't know if it would of ended up here anyway. In A New Hope Han calls Obi-Wan a fool, then Obi-Wan replies "who's more foolish?The fool? Or the fool that follows the fool?" Now after watching ROTS could old Ben be talking about Palpatine/Darth Sidious and Anakin/Darth Vader and how Palpy influenced Anakin. Here you have the fool(Palpatine) and the fool that follows the fool(Anakin). Now don't ask me how Palpy could be a fool? Maybe because he thinks he can rule the galaxy forever or maybe he doesn't believe his apprentice will turn on him like the Sith are supposed to do. Well, we all know Anakin's story now don't we. He is the fool that follows the fool because he could be influenced so easily by Palpy. -----signature----- "Help me, Obi-Wan Kenobi. Your my only hope."-Hologram of Princess Leia With the above line I'm refering to young Obi-Wan Kenobi. :- ) If Jack Bauer joined the Rebel Alliance, 24 hours later there would be no Empire.
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thechozn1 Registered: May '05	Date Posted: 7/3/05 4:46pm Subject: RE: Lines / Sequences in the OT given new meaning after ROTS
	i haven't read all these but this really hit me when I watched it the other day. "You have failed your heiness, I am a jedi, like my father before me." You know Sids had just been sitting there waiting on tempting Luke to kill his father as he had coerced Anakin to kill Dookoo -----signature----- For unneutered SW bashing or gushing... http://boards.outerrimsieges.com/ $CZ1$ of the WU-Tang I see what you did there
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KnightWriter Title: Administrator Emeritus Registered: Nov '01	Date Posted: 7/3/05 4:54pm Subject: RE: Lines / Sequences in the OT given new meaning after ROTS
	Windu does not even consult Yoda, or formulate a plan, he just rushes over to Palpatine and gets four Jedi killed. Actually, there's a cut scene of Mace consulting Yoda. -----signature----- Omar: "Can you fix this, Joe?" clock bangs on table Prop Joe: "What's the problem?" Omar: "Run out of time."
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DARTHMAGI Registered: May '05	Date Posted: 7/3/05 4:58pm Subject: RE: Lines / Sequences in the OT given new meaning after ROTS
	I for one suggest Bail and Leia get a room and let the rest of us speak about this thread. I stil think the scene in ROTJ where Vader takes custody of Luke has become a completely different scene emotionally since ROTS was released. Vader seems more human and you can almost feel the emotion between father and son. There must have been an incredible amount of anguish,desparation, overall mixed feelings goping on in Vader as he saw how mature his son was and how powerful he was in the Force. Knowing that Lukee was initially trained by the same Jedi master that trained him and to see how much progress he made in such a short time... -----signature----- Only through me can you acheive a power greater than any Jedi!!!!
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DARTHMAGI Registered: May '05	Date Posted: 7/3/05 5:17pm Subject: RE: Lines / Sequences in the OT given new meaning after ROTS
	Actually, there's a cut scene of Mace consulting Yoda. Thank you Mr. Lucas, it's so goood to finally speak to you. Will it be released on DVD? Come on!!!! Mace doesn't need Yoda to make every little decision. His suspicions have been realized and he is going to do what must be done in order to save the Republic. -----signature----- Only through me can you acheive a power greater than any Jedi!!!!
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Ogmios22188 Registered: Oct '04	Date Posted: 7/3/05 6:19pm Subject: RE: Lines / Sequences in the OT given new meaning after ROTS
	Most mods know what they're talking about. You should know your place.
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Bail_Organa_ Registered: Jun '05	Date Posted: 7/3/05 7:59pm Subject: RE: Lines / Sequences in the OT given new meaning after ROTS
	Actually, there's a cut scene of Mace consulting Yoda. Thanks for the info, KnightWriter. That is interesting. I think it would have made sense to consult Yoda, but as ROTS stands right now, Windu just rushes off after Anakin tells him the terrible truth. I just checked the list of deleted scenes, and I hope most of them make their way onto the DVD. C'mon, for the last SW lets just throw them all in there and pull a LOTR and go 3 hours plus. What do you think about that KnightWriter? -----signature----- "And so it is."
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JediLight Registered: May '01	Date Posted: 7/3/05 11:40pm Subject: RE: Lines / Sequences in the OT given new meaning after ROTS
	Obi-Wan doesn't fail Anakin in ROTS. He fails him in AOTC. That's where it all started IMO. -----signature----- JediLight Near Marathon on 06-09-08 (ROTJ short) Best Episodes: ROTS, ESB; Underrated: TPM; Overrated: AOTC, ANH
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Bail_Organa_ Registered: Jun '05	Date Posted: 7/4/05 12:34am Subject: RE: Lines / Sequences in the OT given new meaning after ROTS
	Obi-Wan doesn't fail Anakin in ROTS. He fails him in AOTC. That's where it all started IMO. JediLight, Can you elaborate on this and explain why you think this? -----signature----- "And so it is."
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brelth Registered: Jun '05	Date Posted: 7/11/05 4:47pm Subject: RE: Lines / Sequences in the OT given new meaning after ROTS
	Here's a simple one that may be overlooked: how about reading the title of Episode VI differently? I'd say after seeing ROTS that the title "Return of the Jedi" now has two different meanings, say 75-80% of that being the idea of Luke ushering in a rebirth of the Jedi religion, but now also 20-25% of it refers to the re-emergence of THE Jedi, the chosen one who was to bring balance. To those of us who now (correctly) believe that Star Wars, as a whole, is Anakin's story, this is a neat new way to look at the title. That combined with the redone scene at the very end of Ep VI where we see young Anakin rather than the old guy with whom we really have no emotion invested in (plus Anakin never looked like that anyways, when you think about it)...it's really just an overwhelming sense of redemption that this kid, though misguided, ended up all right in the end. -----signature----- "I have failed you Anakin...I have failed you."
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ForceFoxFive Registered: Jul '05	Date Posted: 7/11/05 5:23pm Subject: RE: Lines / Sequences in the OT given new meaning after ROTS
	ROTJ Luke 2 Vader: "There is good in you, I can feel it" Vader 2 Luke: "It is too late for me son" You realise the whole Vader on a leash to Sidious - Vader is so ashamed of himself, its very tragic stuff, very compelling. He knows he´s done some real dirty deeds when he shouldn´t have done (kill younglings, apparently kill his wife, etc), but that his guilt doesnt allow him to break free. "Don´t underestimate the power of the dark side" - its as if Vader is in denial, trying to justify his position, knowing all too well the dark side was never as strong as he was led to believe.
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Bail_Organa_ Registered: Jun '05	Date Posted: 7/13/05 11:36pm Subject: RE: Lines / Sequences in the OT given new meaning after ROTS
	brelth posted: Here's a simple one that may be overlooked: how about reading the title of Episode VI differently? I'd say after seeing ROTS that the title "Return of the Jedi" now has two different meanings, say 75-80% of that being the idea of Luke ushering in a rebirth of the Jedi religion, but now also 20-25% of it refers to the re-emergence of THE Jedi, the chosen one who was to bring balance. To those of us who now (correctly) believe that Star Wars, as a whole, is Anakin's story, this is a neat new way to look at the title. That combined with the redone scene at the very end of Ep VI where we see young Anakin rather than the old guy with whom we really have no emotion invested in (plus Anakin never looked like that anyways, when you think about it)...it's really just an overwhelming sense of redemption that this kid, though misguided, ended up all right in the end. Excellent analysis in an area many would not have thought to look! I wonder if GL has commented on this other interpretation of the title? -----signature----- "And so it is."
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Darth_Hirion Registered: Jun '05	Date Posted: 7/15/05 9:10am Subject: RE: Lines / Sequences in the OT given new meaning after ROTS
	Vader: "Give yourself to the darkside, it's the only way you can save your friends". Vader: "It is pointless to resist son". Vader: "You have controled your fear". -----signature----- "The dark side of the force is a path way to many abilities...some considered to be unnatural" "Once more the sith will rrrruuulllleee the galaxy...and we shall have...peace"
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yoda_rulz Registered: Sep '04	Date Posted: 7/15/05 9:26am Subject: RE: Lines / Sequences in the OT given new meaning after ROTS
	Luke on Dagobah: "There's something familar about this place." and: "It's like something out of a dream". He recognizes Yoda's prescense from when he was first born because Yoda was there w/Obi. (If somebody had already said that one I apoligize.) -----signature----- The Truth shall make ye fret Always remember rule one...
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KnightWriter Title: Administrator Emeritus Registered: Nov '01	Date Posted: 12/29/05 10:16am Subject: RE: Lines / Sequences in the OT given new meaning after ROTS
	Moving up to save. -----signature----- Omar: "Can you fix this, Joe?" clock bangs on table Prop Joe: "What's the problem?" Omar: "Run out of time."
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