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Mist1024 Registered: Aug '01	Date Posted: 5/19/05 3:46pm Subject: RE: "Only a Sith deals in absolutes..."
	You can read whatever politics you want, but the line is just a reflection of Obi-Wan's line "The truth depends greatly upon our own point of view." line in ROTJ. Here, its just a bit more personal. Anakin believes the truth to be that Obi-Wan is now against him because he forced Padme to betry him. Obi-Wan is just trying to rebuke that statement, by saying this is not so black-and-white. Obi-Wan never really wanted to destroy Anakin and if he had a choice, he would not have. Unfortunately, Anakin refuses to see Obi-wan as a mentor and friend any longer and forces the situation. -----signature----- Yeehaw!
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tigermoth Registered: Mar '05	Date Posted: 5/19/05 3:46pm Subject: RE: "Only a Sith deals in absolutes..."
	^It's true that Kenobi is sort of inconsistent over the course of the saga. Still, I think the line's remarkably bad. -----signature----- I will arise and go now... --- Padawan of MidnightRain ---
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Numbshiba Registered: Oct '03	Date Posted: 5/19/05 3:47pm Subject: RE: "Only a Sith deals in absolutes..."
	I sense a Vodka tie-in here somewhere "Absolut Sith" ahhhh yes, there it is now. -----signature----- You are in a postion UNSUITABLE to give orders. Take the professor into the back and plug him into the hyperdrive.
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W_Axl_Rose___ Registered: May '05	Date Posted: 5/19/05 3:51pm Subject: RE: "Only a Sith deals in absolutes..."
	Council just go home now, jk of course but really come on man This really had nothing to do with american poltics, it's about good and evil, and has nothing to do with bush. Just about how people tend to loss power in there own country through war, somthing that seems to be happening in a america right now. Even though the prolouge for the the ANH book which came out before the movie, making it the first piece of true SW stuff, talks about how empires take over, 38 years ago, unless Lucas can read the future, then this talk of politics, is just nonsense.
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ChewbaccasUncleItchy Registered: May '05	Date Posted: 5/19/05 3:51pm Subject: RE: "Only a Sith deals in absolutes..."
	Mos Eisley: lol DarthMannis: Good point. It is very inconsistant from a logic standpoint. But then again, like Mos Eisely is intimating, logic isn't as much fun. IMO Kant was right in his 'critique of pure reason,' you have to ground the philosophical discourse in something real or else something that is false can be proven through the use of a better rhetorical argument (to paraphrase quite badly.) Obi Wan does ultimately have the 'moral highground' IMO, even if what he says in the heat of (impending) battle is self-contradictory and illogical. Dark Lord Karno Dal: What exactly makes one liberal? What is the ideological meaning in the American sense besides Democrat, or as most people use it, wimp? -----signature----- I would go to Tosh's to pick up some power converters, but there's just too much coarse sand everywhere. Yeah... I know Itchy is actually Chewbacca's father, I've already been informed.
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ShimSham Registered: Apr '05	Date Posted: 5/19/05 3:52pm Subject: RE: "Only a Sith deals in absolutes..."
	So umm... Jesus is a sith?
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Maze-Windu Registered: May '05	Date Posted: 5/19/05 3:53pm Subject: RE: "Only a Sith deals in absolutes..."
	The line was very much a political comment, yes. But I think it was done really well. If it's anything that the new trilogy has succeded in it's putting Anakins story in a political context and how it's thematically coherent with the turning of Democracy to Totalitarianism. Of course you could say that the Jedi are all about good and evil - absolutes - , but just because you have a moral compass does not mean that you deal in absolutes. The Jedi are first and foremost protectors of the Republic and Democracy and would therefore never enforce their views on others even if they think those others are wrong in thinking this or that, as long as it's not aimed at toppling democracy everything goes - freedom of speech right? We all now there're a lot of nutshells out there who would argue that that's exactly what Mr Bush is doing with the Iraqi war and etc.(I think we can all agree that Anakins line was taken straight out of the mouth of G.W.Bush) so I hope those nutshells do feel bothered by the line. The line was very appropriate and it's certainly one of my favorites considering the otherwise somewhat wooden dialouge this movie suffered from.
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SAND-CRAWLER Registered: Sep '03	Date Posted: 5/19/05 4:00pm Subject: RE: "Only a Sith deals in absolutes..."
	You have to look at Obiwan's statement in the context of their arguement. Obiwan: My allegiance is to the Republic...to democracy. Anakin: If you're not with me, you're my enemy. Obiwan: Only a Sith Lord deals in absolutes... They are talking about DEMOCRACY. The Jedi way is to support and protect the decisions of the senate(the masses). The Jedi submit their wishes to the wishes of the republic. The Sith way is to force their will on everyone. That's what Obiwan is saying. He's saying that the Jedi way is democracy but the Sith way is tyranny. Obiwan could see that Anakin was turning into a dictator and he knew he had to be stopped. -----signature----- Darth Vader clawing his way on the lava bank is THE Sand-Crawler.
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Darth_Chuzzle Registered: May '05	Date Posted: 5/19/05 4:03pm Subject: RE: "Only a Sith deals in absolutes..."
	This must mean I'm a Sith! -----signature----- The best thing about SW Battlefront is that you can kill Ewoks
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ChewbaccasUncleItchy Registered: May '05	Date Posted: 5/19/05 4:03pm Subject: RE: "Only a Sith deals in absolutes..."
	Edit: Nevermind. -----signature----- I would go to Tosh's to pick up some power converters, but there's just too much coarse sand everywhere. Yeah... I know Itchy is actually Chewbacca's father, I've already been informed.
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Mos_Eisley Registered: May '04	Date Posted: 5/19/05 5:09pm Subject: RE: "Only a Sith deals in absolutes..."
	Have citizens of the west reached a new low when a Star Wars film is required to spark a passionate political debate about the state of democracy? Where the hell is this passion and concern when elections roll around? Canada or US, it doesn't matter. Both systems have turned into a joke. You folks want to hear about eerie parallels? I think GL may have based his PT plot on Canadian politics. Today, the fragile minority Canadian government is facing a vote of non-confidence (sound familiar?) that may force a new election. Who knows? Maybe a guy named Prime Minister Palpatine will be the new leader of Canada. Also, Prime Minister Palpatine may be forced to adopt emergency federalist powers to fight the increasing threat of the Separatists (Quebec). Since Canada is not currently known for being exactly militarily threatening, we may have to create a grand clone army of lumberjacks and locked out NHL hockey players to fight the French droid armies in Quebec led by Count Ducieppe, leader of the Bloc Quebecois. Hopefully, Deputy Prime Minister Skywalker (2nd in command) will keep a cool head and cabinet ministers Yoda (originally from Vancouver) and Obi-Wan Kenobi (originally from Toronto) will help restore order and find out what all this fuss is aboot. -----signature----- "Who's manning the Internet?!" -Stan Smith from American Dad at a Sci-Fi Convention
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Council Registered: Jul '02	Date Posted: 5/19/05 5:47pm Subject: RE: "Only a Sith deals in absolutes..."
	You have to know that Lucas himself put the political views in this. He's never liked politicians and has even admitted it. It has nothing to do with his future vision because he's writing these stories now and is obviously being influenced by events in the world. He's a very influenced individual in terms of other movies, politics, etc. As for the comment...I work in the post industry and we have many political clients at my work...some republican, some democrat. I consider myself neutral, I have views that fit with both sides. From my experiences with these clients, it is always the left, liberal side that makes comments like that line Obi-Wan made. The Conservative side usually could give a care about what is said. That's just 7 years of my experiences dealing with both political parties and young adults from each. Thats why I said that line stinks of Liberal bias, because that type of tone, point of view I've heard a lot from dealing with these clients.
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FurryFriend Registered: Mar '05	Date Posted: 5/21/05 10:38am Subject: RE: "Only a Sith deals in absolutes..."
	It's not the weakest line of the movie, but it makes no sense. The line itself is an absolute. And Jedis DEFINITELY deal with absolutes. Don't they walk around saying Jedis = good, Sith = suffering? Hell, their entire ideology is built around absolutes. -----signature----- PLS NOTE: Even if I have criticism of ROTS, just wanna remind you, I absolutely loved it. My ROTS review on Rottentomatoes blog: http://www.rottentomatoes.com/vine/journal_view.php?month=5&day=22&year=2005&journalid=217965&view=publi c
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DarthSapient Registered: Jun '01	Date Posted: 5/21/05 10:39am Subject: RE: "Only a Sith deals in absolutes..."
	Up for redundant thread on page one.
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TrueJedi Registered: Jun '00	Date Posted: 5/21/05 10:42am Subject: RE: "Only a Sith deals in absolutes..."
	The funny thing is I tried to create this topic before this one was started and got cut off by the mods stopping all new threads. -----signature----- You do not truly know someone until you steal their wallet. I'm the originator of the title, "EP III: Revenge of the Sith", so give me my accolades. 1977: May The Force Be With You 1999: May You Have Enough Midichlorians To Use The Force
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