Jedi Council Forums - Padmé as a role model for girls

Jedi Council Forums » Star Wars Films » Revenge of the Sith »

Locked Topic | Read Only Topic | Previous Active Topic | Next Active Topic

« 46 | 47 | 48 | 49 | 50 | 51 | 52 | 53 | 54 | 55 » - Previous | Next | Reload

Author	Topic: Padmé as a role model for girls - uh, not so much
vampire-jing Registered: Oct '02	Date Posted: 7/11/05 6:23am Subject: RE:
	As much as I love George, I think he kinda messed up Padme's character. Never liked the way she died, it's just too hasty. My feeling is that George wanted the story to focus on Anakin, he even sacrificed Padme's characterization to make room for Anakin. Just think about it: in ROTS and (to a lesser extend)AOTC, Padme only appeared when Anakin appeared (as his love interest), she hardly had her own screen time. When I read the novel/script, my initial reaction was: "WOW, Padme is so passive and soft in ROTS!" And that's exactly what I got from the movie. Natalie did a great acting job of portraying the character as conceived, I really felt for Padme. -----signature----- PT reminds me how short the distance is between goodness and evil, between love and hatred, between loyalty and betrayal. OT=inspiration & innovation PT=intelligence & intricacy
	Locked Topic \| Active Topic Notification \| Private Message \| Post History
EwokThatCried Registered: May '03	Date Posted: 7/11/05 7:56am Subject: RE: Padmé as a role model for girls - uh, not so much
	The Padme in TPM is supposed to sound regal. That is what is up with the monotone delivery. Lucas had Portman come back in and do additional ADR to ensure her voice was different when she portrayed the queen from when she played the handmaiden. Once she is a senator in AOTC her delivery is completely different from when she played the queen. And I thought Natalie did great in ROTS. -----signature----- "Sir Carrie Fisher's Nipple" of the Knights of The 3SA Sarcasm Table George Lucas is a NO voter Overpowers means overpowers Gone, consumed, lost, murdered, ceased, destroyed, twisted, evil Outer Rim Sieges - http://boards.outerrimsieges.com
	Locked Topic \| Active Topic Notification \| Private Message \| Post History
DarthOthello Registered: Jun '05	Date Posted: 7/11/05 8:38am Subject: RE: Padmé as a role model for girls - uh, not so much
	I totally disagree with the pervasive opinion that Padme turned out to be 'weak'. No. To me Padme loved too hard. She and Anakin developed an almost symbiotic relationship. This was no reflection on her giving away her power to a man. Padme offered her love freely and completely, only to have it do her in. Her character, in my opinion, was not meant to be a role model to young girls(why should movie characters be role models anyway? They aren't real people). She was moreso a tragic heroine. Anakin was her downfall.
	Locked Topic \| Active Topic Notification \| Private Message \| Post History
obi-wan_kenobi_1113 Registered: Jul '05	Date Posted: 7/11/05 10:11am Subject: RE: Padmé as a role model for girls - uh, not so much
	To be perfectly honest, I think the medical droid was seriously malfunctioning. Padme was Force choked into unconsciousness and there are no physical repercussions? I don't think so. Think of all the people Vader choked in the OT for that amount of time and see if they survived. Take that and all the physical and emotional stress Padme has been under. She was nine months pregnant and had to conceil her entire relationship with Anakin. She still had the duties of a senator (scene cut from the film) in an increasingly undemocratic and volitile government. All that she has worked for had started to fall apart. Add in Anakin's turn to the Dark Side. Within a very short period of time, Anakin announced the "betrayal of the Jedi" and Obi-Wan directly contradicted that story. She discovered that her husband murdered dozens of children, betrayed his order, and helped undermine the democracy of the Republic. Stress is a massive understatement. All that emotional trauma took a serious toll on her physical being. Then, she is Force choked and goes into labour. There was no plausible way that she could be completely healthy. The choking itself would seriously impair her breathing for at least a little while. That is assuming that she sustained no permanent damage - highly unlikely considering how angry Anakin looked strangling her. Obi-Wan urges her to save her strength and she replies that "she can't." She isn't trying to die. She is actively trying to give birth to twins and names them. Her last words are about the good left in Anakin. She still believes in him and loves him. Sure, she is in extreme emotional pain, but never does she appear to give up. She dies practically mid-sentence.
	Locked Topic \| Active Topic Notification \| Private Message \| Post History
darth-sinister Title: Manager Emeritus Registered: Jun '01	Date Posted: 7/11/05 10:56am Subject: RE: Padmé as a role model for girls - uh, not so much
	To be perfectly honest, I think the medical droid was seriously malfunctioning. Padme was Force choked into unconsciousness and there are no physical repercussions? I don't think so. Think of all the people Vader choked in the OT for that amount of time and see if they survived. Admiral Motti. He was fine right after Vader released him from the choke. No physical damage. Apparently the same with Lando as noted by the couple of times he touches his neck. Admiral Ozzel and Captain Needa were killed. Big difference. In the end, Padme was simply choked and let go. Lucas wanted her to die of a broken heart, not from injuries or stress. -----signature----- Stewie: "Oh, this is an even bigger jackpot than when the Emperor came up with the formula for great Star Wars dialouge." Palpatine: "Something, something, something. Dark side. Something, something, something complete."
	Locked Topic \| Active Topic Notification \| Private Message \| Post History
WormieSaber Registered: Oct '00	Date Posted: 7/11/05 12:04pm Subject: RE: PadmÃ© as a role model for girls - uh, not so much
	The medical reason for her death makes perfect sense. Induced labor can cause some serious harm to the pregnant female, however, even if the force choke and induced labor was really the one to blame, wouldn't the advanced technology of Star Wars be able to save her? Anyway, the only option left is that she indeed died of a broken heart and lost the will to live. I've never seen people "willing" themselves to death, but I guess in the world of Star Wars where green little puppets can flip up in the air and use lightsabers, it can work.... To be perfectly honest, I think the medical droid was seriously malfunctioning. The medical droid didn't seem to question much. And Padme was screaming pretty loudly for someone without much will. She had enough will to push the babies out. And what's with the "Humba, humba..." ... some kind of birthing noise these droids are making?? -----signature----- "Award winners don't push brooms" -- Turbo
	Locked Topic \| Active Topic Notification \| Private Message \| Post History
TheLightSide Registered: Apr '05	Date Posted: 7/11/05 12:14pm Subject: RE: Padmé as a role model for girls - uh, not so much
	Padme ended on a whimper, just the Republic that she stood for. Padme literally is the Republic. When it and the Jedi Order dies, she dies. It's not enough that her twins need her, she cannot find the strength. She's been living too long in her comfortable apartment on Coruscant, or next to the waterfalls of Naboo, or in the halls of Theed. She has been reduced to not being able to withstand losing her husband. Good bye role model of The Phantom Menace. Good bye to the only person who beat Palpatine at his own game. Leaving Coruscant during TPM and taking on the Sidious-led Trade Federation, and with a little boy from Tatooine, succeeding. The Jedi did not even have a solution! The Senate wanted to appoint a committee! But she set Palpatine back 10 years!! Why, oh Lucas, why?!
	Locked Topic \| Active Topic Notification \| Private Message \| Post History
darth-sinister Title: Manager Emeritus Registered: Jun '01	Date Posted: 7/11/05 12:23pm Subject: RE: Padmé as a role model for girls - uh, not so much
	Why, because it's tragic. In Star Wars, there are themes of fathers and sons, as well as mothers and daughters. With the latter it is that Padme makes several mistakes, which ultimately destroys their lives. Padme has lost all hope. The man that she loves more than life, has betrayed her and everything that she had stood for. She cannot follow him down that path towards ruin. As she said in AOTC, she's been dying a little each day. She cannot imagine a life without Anakin. Her heart is broken by the end of democracy and the birth of tyranny. Best expressed in her husband. Worse, Padme gave into her emotions and sucumbed to them. Leia redeems her by becoming a better person than her mother. By falling in love with Han and not letting herself be overwhelmed by her emotions. She learns to let go of her attachments and become selfless. Padme went from being selfless to selfish. Lucas wasn't trying to create a role model in Padme. He was showing us the tragedy of love. -----signature----- Stewie: "Oh, this is an even bigger jackpot than when the Emperor came up with the formula for great Star Wars dialouge." Palpatine: "Something, something, something. Dark side. Something, something, something complete."
	Locked Topic \| Active Topic Notification \| Private Message \| Post History
obi-wan_kenobi_1113 Registered: Jul '05	Date Posted: 7/11/05 1:53pm Subject: RE: Padmé as a role model for girls - uh, not so much
	darth-sinister posted: Admiral Motti. He was fine right after Vader released him from the choke. No physical damage. Apparently the same with Lando as noted by the couple of times he touches his neck. Admiral Ozzel and Captain Needa were killed. Big difference. In the end, Padme was simply choked and let go. Lucas wanted her to die of a broken heart, not from injuries or stress. Its true that neither of those two died from the Force choke, but neither (to my memory) were choked long enough to cause a loss of consciousness. That is the major difference - sorry I wasn't clear.
	Locked Topic \| Active Topic Notification \| Private Message \| Post History
MagicSkywalker Registered: May '05	Date Posted: 7/11/05 3:57pm Subject: RE: Padmé as a role model for girls - uh, not so much
	Because when we get to that point, this is where I believe their arcs separate. Padme has shown that she has it within her to be able to let go of her life, if it is her destiny to die. Anakin seems to have a teensy bit more of a problem with this. So whilst I fully understand what Lucas is trying to do with the parallel, especially visually, at the end of ROTS, I believe that it is here that things change for the characters. Whilst we know that Anakin dies a metaphorical death; he is not dead. Padme does die, and although the fallout from her giving birth to the twins causes the ripple effect throughout the OT, her arc is over. Anakin's is not. That love is the answer to the darkness. "Obi-Wan....there....is good in him. I know....I know there is....still...." -- Padme Skywalker, StarWars, Episode III: Revenge Of The Sith, 2005 I have to agree with Obi-wan Jr. -----signature----- "Something's happening. I'm not the Jedi I should be. I want more." - Anakin Skywalker "Anakin you're breaking my heart, you're going down a path I can't follow"- Padme "You can be very sympathetic if you allow yourself to be deceived by the con as well"
	Locked Topic \| Active Topic Notification \| Private Message \| Post History
NeoBaggins Registered: Oct '03	Date Posted: 7/11/05 6:26pm Subject: RE: Padmé as a role model for girls - uh, not so much
	Is Natalie portraying the monotone voiced white-faced Queen in TPM? If that is her, I will conclude that her best performance and character representation is in TPM. Even though she is stiff and expressionless, she is consistant. Consistancy helps define a character, make them stand out. She has a character here, and her performance makes Padme in this film. She is also, regardless of performance, believable in being Liea's future Mommy. Mommy stiff, but ready to handle business. She births a strong girl like herself and with a little more flexibility. Love reveals Liea's human side but doesn't weaken her spirit. Everything that happened to her makes her stronger. Love does the opposite for Padme. I think it's suppose to be that way so you can see how the twins redeemed both parents through their actions. If anyone can confirm Portman's performance when playing the Queen would be hot. If that is her delivering those lines and playing basically two characters, I will have to up the props. Far as AOTC and ROTS: She fizzles to a pathetic hault. I may have to rethink though, how much is her performance and how much is Lucas. -----signature----- You hear that? That's the sound of inevitability. You hear that? That's the A train. You hear that? That's the sound of a thousand terrible things heading this way.
	Locked Topic \| Active Topic Notification \| Private Message \| Post History
vampire-jing Registered: Oct '02	Date Posted: 7/11/05 9:35pm Subject: RE: Padme as a role model for girls - uh, not so much
	Is Natalie portraying the monotone voiced white-faced Queen in TPM? It mostly her. Her decoy (Keira Knightley) only wore two Queen costumes in TPM, the black feathered dress and the jungle battle dress. Other than that, it's Natalie Portman playing the Queen and Padme. -----signature----- PT reminds me how short the distance is between goodness and evil, between love and hatred, between loyalty and betrayal. OT=inspiration & innovation PT=intelligence & intricacy
	Locked Topic \| Active Topic Notification \| Private Message \| Post History
Noelie Registered: Jul '05	Date Posted: 7/11/05 10:07pm Subject: RE: Padmé as a role model for girls - uh, not so much
	One question; I keep reading the "Assumption" that Padme selfishly just "gave up". Please quote me where it is that you get that idea? I would like I to know. What I understood is that they don't understand why she is dying. You are the ones tht are putting a definition as to why. Are we sure it isn't something more to the effect that she and Anakin are "joined' in some way? He dies, she dies? Much like Emperor dies, Vader dies? Are we sure there isn't something more that neither the Jedi or Anakin understand about just what happened with the dark side of the force? I mean. you make assumptions. Please point me in the direction of your evidence and how some of you condemn Padme without evidence of being a coward and uncaring about her children. Perhaps its as easy as if Padme doesn't die, and the masquerade of the pregnancy at her funeral so tht Vader doesn't focus on finding her and the child/children. I mean.. how do you all explain that as a story vehicle? -----signature----- The relationship that has been created in this unique universe is so memorable, and so beautiful. It makes the heart ache. As far as I'm concerned, it's canon.~Ratna on the Noelaverse Proud member of the UPR
	Locked Topic \| Active Topic Notification \| Private Message \| Post History
vampire-jing Registered: Oct '02	Date Posted: 7/11/05 10:29pm Subject: RE: Padme as a role model for girls - uh, not so much
	Hope these pics can help, Neo : Natalie Portman as Queen Amidala and Padme in TPM Keira Knightley as the decoy Queen in TPM -----signature----- PT reminds me how short the distance is between goodness and evil, between love and hatred, between loyalty and betrayal. OT=inspiration & innovation PT=intelligence & intricacy
	Locked Topic \| Active Topic Notification \| Private Message \| Post History
DARTHCLANDESTINE Registered: May '05	Date Posted: 7/11/05 10:51pm Subject: RE: Padmé as a role model for girls - uh, not so much
	VJ, could you also include a pic when the "Queen" and Qui Gon reach the hangar to leave Naboo? Thanks. That's the scene that had everything in it. "We are brave your highness". Edit: Ooh. Found part of it! -----signature----- The Force has two sides. It is not a malevolent or a benevolent thing. It has a bad side to it, involving hate and fear, and it has a good side, involving love, charity, fairness and hope -- George Lucas
	Locked Topic \| Active Topic Notification \| Private Message \| Post History

« 46 | 47 | 48 | 49 | 50 | 51 | 52 | 53 | 54 | 55 » - Previous | Next | Reload

Jedi Council Forums » Star Wars Films » Revenge of the Sith »