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Selina_Moonfire
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1/7/06 7:01pm
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I have really tried to understand Padme's character, but have never quite gotten it.
Personally I think Padme had few maternal instincts. I'm not saying that she wouldn't protect her babies or she'd beat the twins. I'm thinking more that if everything had happened "Happily Ever After" the family still would have been broken. I think that Anakin and Padme would have been so wrapped up in their love for each other that the kids would have barely registered in their lives. There would have been a nanny and a housekeeper and a kiss on the cheek as they were tucked into bed, but nothing would have distracted Anakin and Padme from each other.
One thing that really bugged me about Padme in the films was how she really didn't act like a pregnant woman. There are little gestures that women make when they're pregnant. Protecting the tummy type reactions. This rarely happened.
To me, it felt like her pregnancy was an afterthought needed to get Luke and Leia into the Galaxy.
Overall, I think Padme was a poor character so I can't say if she was a good role model or not. I thought her romance with Anakin is highly disturbing. There was no depth to the relationship other than romantic obsession and infatuation. And her actions were confusing at best.
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Golwen
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1/7/06 7:48pm
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Selina_Moonfire posted:
Overall, I think Padme was a poor character so I can't say if she was a good role model or not. I thought her romance with Anakin is highly disturbing. There was no depth to the relationship other than romantic obsession and infatuation. And her actions were confusing at best.
I think that Padme as well as Anakin were emotionally immature, which was partially to their environments. Padme and Anakin both grew up in these high strata environments where emphasis was placed on duty and the need for mature emotional relationships was downplayed. A a result, Anakin and Padme don't really know how to handle themselves in a "normal" marriage. They're two people who were physically and emotionally unprepared to have a child.
Anakin and Padme unlike Han and Leia who were to follow them give themselves wholly to love. They are both incredibly emotionally people. While Anakin is prone to immature, effervesent displays of affection, Padme is not much better. She is a type of person who gives and gives of herself and is trying to "save" Anakin, hoping that through her love she can heal his emotional wounds, as women are known to do. Foolish women like Padme marry men like Anakin all the time in the Real World.
Padme's focus is so much on Anakin that it would be difficult to give that kind of attention to Luke and Leia. Personally, I believe that if Anakin and Padme were to live together like a normal family trying to raise two children serious cracks would have developed in their relationship.
Padme married an unstable man based on a fantasy and suffered the consequences
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Darth-Natas
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1/7/06 7:54pm
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Selina_Moonfire posted:
I have really tried to understand Padme's character, but have never quite gotten it.
Personally I think Padme had few maternal instincts. I'm not saying that she wouldn't protect her babies or she'd beat the twins. I'm thinking more that if everything had happened "Happily Ever After" the family still would have been broken. I think that Anakin and Padme would have been so wrapped up in their love for each other that the kids would have barely registered in their lives. There would have been a nanny and a housekeeper and a kiss on the cheek as they were tucked into bed, but nothing would have distracted Anakin and Padme from each other.
One thing that really bugged me about Padme in the films was how she really didn't act like a pregnant woman. There are little gestures that women make when they're pregnant. Protecting the tummy type reactions. This rarely happened.
To me, it felt like her pregnancy was an afterthought needed to get Luke and Leia into the Galaxy.
Overall, I think Padme was a poor character so I can't say if she was a good role model or not. I thought her romance with Anakin is highly disturbing. There was no depth to the relationship other than romantic obsession and infatuation. And her actions were confusing at best.
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Lyvia
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1/11/06 7:29pm
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Anakin's immaturity I can buy but not Padme's, the girl was a queen at age 14 and should no the way the world works. I do beleive that Anakin and Padme would be bad parents(worse than they already are) The way Padme gave up and only cared about Anakin in the end could be an indication of what type of mother she would be; there are some mothers out there who put men in front of their children and I think Padme would be one of them. As for her not clutching her belly, its not like she could do that alot seeing as how she is trying to hide the pregnancy. Ill say it again Padme is not on the role model level as Leia though if I remember Leia wasnt the best mother but atleast she would do anything for her kids.
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Greedo_forever
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1/12/06 8:31am
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I agree- Padme is not a good role model for girls in ROTS.
But there isn't ANY indication that she SHOULD be.
WOULD you want to admire Oedipus? Or Guinevere? Or Judas?
No, of course not. Maybe in their days in the past when they were good and were not being pulled around by the tragic winds of fate.
Padme is a tragic character. Admire her for what she WAS, not for what she became. That's part of the tragedy.
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Greedo_forever
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Lyvia posted:
Anakin's immaturity I can buy but not Padme's, the girl was a queen at age 14 and should no the way the world works. I do beleive that Anakin and Padme would be bad parents(worse than they already are) The way Padme gave up and only cared about Anakin in the end could be an indication of what type of mother she would be; ...
Just because someone is enrapt into a position of power and politics at an early age does not necessarily mean that they are adept at relationships or motherhood. We don't know how much "free" time Padme had. I mean, yes, she was queen at 14. That must have been a demanding job. A teenager with so much responsability obviously cannot devote lots of time to other life situations. This is all assumption, however. We do not know *exactly* what the woman went through.
Most people here think that she "gave up" on her kids. I think that she willed herself to stay alive long enough to give birth to them. At least that was the impression I got when I saw the film the first time.
I guess its because I'm a 24 yr. old male, but I did not get any ideas of "George Lucas doesn't understand women- he is a chauvinist" or "George Lucas wants women to be stay at home mothers- KKKonspiracy!!!". 
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warriorqueen
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1/12/06 9:44am
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Greedo_forever posted:
Lyvia posted:
Anakin's immaturity I can buy but not Padme's, the girl was a queen at age 14 and should no the way the world works. I do beleive that Anakin and Padme would be bad parents(worse than they already are) The way Padme gave up and only cared about Anakin in the end could be an indication of what type of mother she would be; ...
Just because someone is enrapt into a position of power and politics at an early age does not necessarily mean that they are adept at relationships or motherhood. We don't know how much "free" time Padme had. I mean, yes, she was queen at 14. That must have been a demanding job. A teenager with so much responsability obviously cannot devote lots of time to other life situations. This is all assumption, however. We do not know *exactly* what the woman went through.
Most people here think that she "gave up" on her kids. I think that she willed herself to stay alive long enough to give birth to them. At least that was the impression I got when I saw the film the first time.
I guess its because I'm a 24 yr. old male, but I did not get any ideas of "George Lucas doesn't understand women- he is a chauvinist" or "George Lucas wants women to be stay at home mothers- KKKonspiracy!!!".
I don't know anything about conspiracies, but I do not ever want to become the passive little wifey that Padme does. She seems to subjugate her personality. In the novel, it comes across even worse. Marriage may be about compromise, but it is not in my opinion about subverting your personality for the other person. Frankly, her whole relationship with Skywalker seems to me more pathetic than romantic. The only place I recognize the previous version of Padme is when she says Skywalker is going down a path she can't follow.
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RebelScum77
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1/12/06 10:02am
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I disagree with a lot of the people who are dogging on Padme, but where is it written that they had to have a perfect relationship? That Padme would be the perfect mother? The perfect role model? As it was said above, the point is that she started off that way, same as Anakin started off a good person. But they're both tragic figures. No one in any of these films are perfect people, not even Obi-Wan or Yoda. Padme isn't a role model any more than Anakin is. They are tragic people who started off heroes, but then degenerated into shells of their former selves. It's up to their children to "make up for their sins."
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CJedi72
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AOTC 2007 SE (new dialogue as Anakin answers Padmes jab that he is this little boy from.....)
"Padme, you'll always be that quitter who lost the will to live from Naboo"
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Get_in_Gear
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I know - imagine Padmé's character actually changing.
People don't change - how silly.
I mean; would the Emperor's loyal right hand man - Darth Vader: the embodiment of pure evil in ANH - transform over the course of two movies to the extent that he would get all loved-up over his son and toss his Master down a reactor shaft?
The very thought...
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CJedi72
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Get_in_Gear posted:
I know - imagine Padmé's character actually [i]changing .
People don't change - how silly.
I mean; would the Emperor's loyal right hand man - Darth Vader: the embodiment of pure evil in ANH - transform over the course of two movies to the extent that he would get all loved-up over his son and toss his Master down a reactor shaft?
The very thought...
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She still had two kids, and there is no excuse for losing the will to live. I have always said, if she was not pregnant, and everything happened the same with her & Anakin, I would have no problem with her losing the will to live, that would be understandable, cause that is the only close person in her life.
Once she had kids, and lost the will to live, especially twins, no mother does that. That is my whole problem with that storyline, and Lucas dropped the ball on a good character arc that he established for 3 movies.
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warriorqueen
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Padme can change all George Lucas wants her to, but I don't have to admire the change or respect it. I think she comes across as a bit pathetic in ROTS and her relationship with Skywalker as completely pathetic. But that's my opinion. No doubt there are those who see it as the love story of all time  , while I think it
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Get_in_Gear
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CJedi72 posted:
no mother does that.
Sadly, that statement just isn't true.
People do lose the will to live.
People do dump kids in hospitals, on doorsteps and in far worse places.
And people who seemingly have everything to live for... give up and die.
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CJedi72
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Get_in_Gear posted:
CJedi72 posted:
no mother does that.
Sadly, that statement just isn't true.
People do lose the will to live.
People do dump kids in hospitals, on doorsteps and in far worse places.
And people who seemingly have everything to live for... give up and die.
Thank you, cause I wanted you to answer it that way. So if you are comparing those to Padme, is she still a role model?
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Lucas stuffed up with the lost the will to live line. If you edit that out then the problem is solvede. For reasons they cannot explain, ie destiny, she is dying. I actually like Padme in ROTS becasue I thought that the way she act, is in denial etc is actually quite likely, up until she has kids but she has lost the will to live. I call BS on that too as it seems completely contradictory to the character GL had created. It's a shame because otherwise the whole tragic death story line is fairly perfect for me.
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