Author Topic: What Would Mace Windu's Fate Have Been Had Lucas Not Accomodated SLJ?
JediCouncilMaster 
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Date Posted: 12/22/05 9:50am Subject: RE: What Would Mace Windu's Fate Have Been Had Lucas Not Accomodated SLJ?
All right all right. Carry on.

 

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r8hitman 
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Date Posted: 12/22/05 9:51am Subject: RE: What Would Mace Windu's Fate Have Been Had Lucas Not Accomodated SLJ?
Thankyou.

SithStarSlayer??? ......

 

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JediCouncilMaster 
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Date Posted: 12/22/05 9:53am Subject: RE: What Would Mace Windu's Fate Have Been Had Lucas Not Accomodated SLJ?
Forget about it he probably ran away since you scared him off, lol jk.

 

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r8hitman 
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Date Posted: 12/22/05 9:55am Subject: RE: What Would Mace Windu's Fate Have Been Had Lucas Not Accomodated SLJ?
He'll be back. mischief

 

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Date Posted: 12/22/05 11:55am Subject: RE: What Would Mace Windu's Fate Have Been Had Lucas Not Accomodated SLJ?
darth-sinister posted:
legion_of_me posted:
My understanding of it is that every Jedi who has had a purple lightsaber has always been a very powerful Jedi. That might have been part of SLJ desicion for wanting a lightsaber of that color.


Darth_Expedite posted:
There's really no controversy here. SLJ simply requested that he be given a purple lightsaber, instead of a blue or green one, for the the prequels. I suppose his reasoning was he just wanted a little more "flamboyance" added to his character, considering his acting resume.




Jackson asked for purple because it's his favorite color. That's all there is to it. And since he did well on the set, got along with Lucas and never complained, he got what he wanted.

Lucas: "Blue and green for the good guys. Red for the bad guys. That's just how it works."

Jackson: "What about purple?"

Lucas: "You might get purple."

He did say later on that he wanted to stand out, but mostly it was because he likes purple. He had just finished filming "Unbreakable", which featured him wearing purple a lot. He wears either a purple, black, blue or white hat in public.



I actually think purple works well for the character, particularly in light of the novel where it is claimed that Windu can be a conduit for the Dark Side of the Force. Naturally, it would fit that his saber color reflects both red and blue, thus giving us purple.

I'm sure it didn't hurt that SLJ also wanted that color...

 

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SithStarSlayer 
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Date Posted: 12/22/05 12:25pm Subject: RE: What Would Mace Windu's Fate Have Been Had Lucas Not Accomodated SLJ?
r8hitman posted:
He'll be back. mischief



Ahhh.... r8hitman knows me too well from our past clashes in other threads. doh!
Good to see you again, my argumentative friend. shock mischief grin

I do enjoy any, and, all robust dialogue.

NOW, to ANSWER you question, I must pose a question: Which of the sources are referring to?
The OS, various Magazines, online publications and a whole littany of other sources have bits and pieces relating to SLJ and his "PLEA" to Lucas.

All of them have lent some weight to my personal conclusion that SLJ influenced the direction and characterization of Mace Windu.

The fact that the entire scene was re-shot is one of the MAIN reasons I believe SLJ had such input...


Now, I hope we can begin again...

in earnest...

 

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legion_of_me 
Registered: Dec '05
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Date Posted: 12/22/05 12:32pm Subject: RE: What Would Mace Windu's Fate Have Been Had Lucas Not Accomodated SLJ?
The presence of an extra ability doesn't automatically mean that Sids is better than Yoda. There's a lot of other factors(i.e Yoda hundreds of years of experience for one)that would weigh into that.



farrellg posted:
Gillard said the Emperor is better than Yoda because he has the extra power of the dark side.

 

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farrellg 
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Date Posted: 12/22/05 12:36pm Subject: RE: What Would Mace Windu's Fate Have Been Had Lucas Not Accomodated SLJ?
The presence of an extra ability doesn't automatically mean that Sids is better than Yoda.

In the Emperor's case, apparantly it does make him "better" than Yoda since that's they exact word Gillard used.

 

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legion_of_me 
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Date Posted: 12/22/05 12:39pm Subject: RE: What Would Mace Windu's Fate Have Been Had Lucas Not Accomodated SLJ?
Darth_Fruit_Fly posted:
Some feel that Windu did go out like a punk because he was screaming when he died.


Yeah, of course he was screaming. When lightning goes through your body it hurts. The human body wasn't made for that. According to that neanderthal way of thinking, we'd all be punks.

Darth_Fruit_Fly posted:
So anyone care to define this phrase once and for all so I know what exactly we're discussing?


I don't think everyone has the same perception of the word. In SLJ case, he didn't want to go out in a death scene that he perceived to be beneath one of his character's abilities. It's really all about saving face so to speak.

 

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legion_of_me 
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Date Posted: 12/22/05 12:43pm Subject: RE: What Would Mace Windu's Fate Have Been Had Lucas Not Accomodated SLJ?
MystikalMaceWindu posted:
Come on legion of me, say it, who's the person who's always bringing up the racial angle?


I really can't say. He asked that I not use his name and I gotta respect that. I'm not even sure that there is a racial angle to this. Maybe it is racial I don't know.

 

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SithStarSlayer 
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Date Posted: 12/22/05 12:44pm Subject: RE: What Would Mace Windu's Fate Have Been Had Lucas Not Accomodated SLJ?
Yes, I heard somewhere that SLJ offered GL, Mace's hand in exchange for saving his face... doh!



Just for you r8hitman...
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legion_of_me 
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Date Posted: 12/22/05 12:48pm Subject: RE: What Would Mace Windu's Fate Have Been Had Lucas Not Accomodated SLJ?
JediMasterGaraceDane posted:
HE was the best sword weilder in the Jedi Order. He mastered lightsaber form VII and the Vaapad form in the EU and I think even GL said he mastered a jedi fighting form that was leaning on the edge of the darkside.


Vaapad was that form that was on the edge of the darkside. He developed it with the help of two other Jedi. One of which I believe fell to the darkside.

JediMasterGaraceDane posted:
Windu was ruling that match even Palpatine was surprised as to how great Mace was with a lightsaber.


Mace is no pushover like some of the Anakities and Kenobites want to believe. His fight scenes probably should have been done with an expert swordsman for realism.

 

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legion_of_me 
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Date Posted: 12/22/05 12:52pm Subject: RE: What Would Mace Windu's Fate Have Been Had Lucas Not Accomodated SLJ?
Ok guys, it's only a movie let's lower the testosterone levels a little bit.


r8hitman posted:
How about you make it easier for yourself and just back away from this while you still can. raised_brow

 

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JediCouncilMaster 
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Date Posted: 12/22/05 12:58pm Subject: RE: What Would Mace Windu's Fate Have Been Had Lucas Not Accomodated SLJ?
LOL laugh Good one. Yeah guys chill out. Cool it. I think SLJ did a good job conveying Windu's character. Excellent. But it was his destiny to fight Sidious and lose.

 

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SithStarSlayer 
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Date Posted: 12/22/05 1:07pm Subject: RE: What Would Mace Windu's Fate Have Been Had Lucas Not Accomodated SLJ?
legion_of_me posted:
JediMasterGaraceDane posted:
HE was the best sword weilder in the Jedi Order. He mastered lightsaber form VII and the Vaapad form in the EU and I think even GL said he mastered a jedi fighting form that was leaning on the edge of the darkside.


Vaapad was that form that was on the edge of the darkside. He developed it with the help of two other Jedi. One of which I believe fell to the darkside.

JediMasterGaraceDane posted:
Windu was ruling that match even Palpatine was surprised as to how great Mace was with a lightsaber.


Mace is no pushover like some of the Anakities and Kenobites want to believe. His fight scenes probably should have been done with an expert swordsman for realism.


Mace was cool...

like the other side of a pillow.

 

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