Get_in_Gear posted:Mace_Windolene posted:This whole SLJ demands stuff is complete BS. No way GL would have changed anything story-wise for an actor. In all likelihood it went down like this: SLJ: Hey, George! Mace is supposed to be on a par with Yoda - he's not gonna go out like a punk in RotS by being shot or stabbed in the back is he? GL: 'Course not. No need to worry about that. Well, the first thing you have to understand is how these films are made. Production meetings are held before Lucas has even written out a detailed plot summery. No one gets to even see the early drafts of the script except for McCallum, yet concept art is produced. All the artists have to work on is "we need some planets, vehicles, a new villain" or whatever. They have a pretty free reign - hence concept art of Boba sniping Mace may exist (I know I haven't seen it), as does concept art of Maul resurrected as a cyborg and a meeting between Qui-Gon's ghost and Obi-Wan on Utapau (those are bona-fide ROTS concepts). These are just wishful thinking on the artist's part. So Lucas feeds off the ideas to a degree, but if they don't fit his vision or the story he is still writing they are nothing more than flights of fancy. So there comes a point where people like Gillard get involved. I forget the exact details, but I believe this is how the SLJ thing went down: None of the actors have yet to see a script, but Gillard is now prepped - we need you to develop a fighting style for Palpatine. He has a bit of duelling in this one. Yoda will be fighting again. And Mace may be fighting too. The plot is revealled drop by drop - "okay, there is a scene where Palpatine fights the Jedi. Can you work some things out? It may take place in his office, but the set is not built yet." It's that vague. So then there comes a time when the actors involved in the scene are contacted. I think it was around this time - when Jackson had been told by Gillard he was needed in Australia to prepare for "a big fight scene" - that he was interviewed (by MTV?) and asked about his role in ROTS. He let slip that he had a big fight scene and made a simple comment that he hoped he didn't go out like a punk. Sometime later he was reminded of this in a subsequent interview, and Jackson confirmed for the first time that Mace did die (as we all expected) and that he got his wish. So can you see what happened there? People seem to have this vision of Jackson reading the script, going up too Lucas personally, and saying "Hey! I'm not happy with this, I don't want to go out like a punk!" and Lucas rewrote the whole scene. That simply is not true. Jackson made a tounge-in-cheek comment to the press. It's possible he repeated the same thing to Lucas, but to say Lucas was going to change his whole narrative to suit an actor is very naive. At best, Lucas will have said - "yeah, we can probably push this scene a little further, we can make Mace's death quite spectacular looking - it is, after all, a key scene in which Palpatine is revealled and Anakin makes his turn." Jackson's comments prove that he was as surprised to learn what had been scripted for Mace as the next man. So in a way, yes, Lucas "gave SLJ what he wanted". But not in the way some of you are thinking...
Mace_Windolene posted:This whole SLJ demands stuff is complete BS. No way GL would have changed anything story-wise for an actor. In all likelihood it went down like this: SLJ: Hey, George! Mace is supposed to be on a par with Yoda - he's not gonna go out like a punk in RotS by being shot or stabbed in the back is he? GL: 'Course not. No need to worry about that.
Mace_Windolene posted: Just to be clear, I was saying that SLJ did not influence GL.
DarthSapient posted:Mace had to go out with a bang. He's constantly been referred to as being so powerful. To show an old man like Palpatine kill him so easily establishes Palpatine's power over the Jedi.
Malikail posted:Peronsaly i don't like the fact that palpantine finishes off mace, it works but i would have prefered to see anakin actualy kill him.
Atticus posted:Richard-Drahcir posted:How else would he have died? Sniper shot to the head during one of his lines. Either that or a 13 year old Boba desintagrating him.
Richard-Drahcir posted:How else would he have died?
Darth_Expedite posted:There's really no controversy here. SLJ simply requested that he be given a purple lightsaber, instead of a blue or green one, for the the prequels. I suppose his reasoning was he just wanted a little more "flamboyance" added to his character, considering his acting resume.
MystikalMaceWindu posted:Just say you hate SLJ and/or Mace Windu. Some of you aren't afraid to just come out and say it.
Fat_Bird posted:Mace is nothing more than a paper Bad Ass. SLJ's use of the lightsaber was horrid. Looked like my 83 year-old grandfather could have taken him.
Darth_Fruit_Fly posted:We all know that SLJ specifically asked Lucas to not let his character go out like a "punk", which he most certainly did not.
farrellg posted:I'm sure that any Force-user could use lightning, given time and practice, just like any other Force power. That doesn't mean they could use it on the spot, without any dark side training. Force lightning is probably a very advanced technique that only the most experienced Sith lords can use. Anakin couldn't use it right after turning to the dark side. Blocking lightning isn't the same as using it. A lightsaber can block blaster shots, but it cannot generate blaster shots.
farrellg posted:It seems to me that force-lightning is highly overrated. With the exception of Luke getting zapped by the Emporer I think this is a huge problem with ROTS if people think force lightning is overrated. I don't think anyone would say its overrated after seeing ROTJ. People thought the Emperor was insanely powerful, and that Luke would be electrocuted just the same if he had a saber. I think the audience is supposed to think of force lightning as a godlike, awesome power. It seems more exciting and menacing this way. Force lightning is more dramatically effective if it scares and shocks the audience.
