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bry-maul Registered: Apr '05	Date Posted: 10/6/05 5:53pm Subject: RE: Was Sidious REALLY Darth Plagueis' apprentice?
	or even more telling is in the Ultimate Visual Dictionary it actually says that Sideous was his apprentice... -----signature----- I will do what I must. - Obi Wan You will try. - Anakin Do! Or do not. There is no try! - Yoda
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severian28 Registered: Apr '04	Date Posted: 10/6/05 6:17pm Subject: RE: Was Sidious REALLY Darth Plagueis' apprentice?
	Yeah, but that wouldnt be considered canon by alot of SW fans. Believe me if things were that easy there'd be alot less threads in here. -----signature----- " Bring the sled " - Al Swearengen " Dying all the time. Lose your dreams and you will lose your mind. Aint life unkind? " - The Rolling Stones
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darth-sinister Title: Manager Emeritus Registered: Jun '01	Date Posted: 10/6/05 11:27pm Subject: RE: Was Sidious REALLY Darth Plagueis' apprentice?
	Well, it's in the novelization for ROTS and totally approved by Lucas, since he line edited the book personally. -----signature----- Stewie: "Oh, this is an even bigger jackpot than when the Emperor came up with the formula for great Star Wars dialouge." Palpatine: "Something, something, something. Dark side. Something, something, something complete."
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DS_Emp_Viper Registered: Sep '01	Date Posted: 10/6/05 11:30pm Subject: RE: Was Sidious REALLY Darth Plagueis' apprentice?
	darth-sinister posted: Well, it's in the novelization for ROTS and totally approved by Lucas, since he line edited the book personally. I find that hard to believe considering so many of the changes made in the movie. -----signature----- And now you see that evil will always triumph, because good is dumb.
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darth-sinister Title: Manager Emeritus Registered: Jun '01	Date Posted: 10/6/05 11:42pm Subject: RE: Was Sidious REALLY Darth Plagueis' apprentice?
	It's still valid. Lucas approved of all books, website material and other items which implicitly state that Darth Plaugeis trained Darth Sidious. -----signature----- Stewie: "Oh, this is an even bigger jackpot than when the Emperor came up with the formula for great Star Wars dialouge." Palpatine: "Something, something, something. Dark side. Something, something, something complete."
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bry-maul Registered: Apr '05	Date Posted: 10/7/05 6:58am Subject: RE: Was Sidious REALLY Darth Plagueis' apprentice?
	it is that easy. or if we can throw out that one sentence, then i guess we throw out anything in the book, even if it is 100% true. GL's rule is that as long as it doesn't conflict with the movies its fine (someone will have the quote somewhere). i will conceed that there is ambiguity in the movie that is open to interpretation. and of course fans can created their own universe if they want to. I'm sure a lot of fans want to stop with Boba dying on Tatooine and the Emperor doesn't have a clone or that Chewbacca is still alive, but to GL those are allowed. The dictionary doesn't conflict with what is in the movies. it must be true. on a side note, the dictionary does leave the who created anakin? idea open. but that's a whole nother thread... -----signature----- I will do what I must. - Obi Wan You will try. - Anakin Do! Or do not. There is no try! - Yoda
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Hypernova Registered: May '05	Date Posted: 10/7/05 8:26am Subject: RE: Was Sidious REALLY Darth Plagueis' apprentice?
	Darth Plagueis. I wonder if his "speciality" force power is Force Plague? Sidious seems to specialise in Force Lightning. Force Plague is from the XBOX game "Knights of the old republic" Basically it works like a snake bite. The victim is poisoned. Imagine that? Being able to inflict a black mamba bite with the twitch of a finger.
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Starwars_1977-1983 Registered: Sep '04	Date Posted: 10/7/05 8:34am Subject: RE: Was Sidious REALLY Darth Plagueis' apprentice?
	Hmmmm, better than Sith Ligthning the Force Plague is ... After each stroke the jedi has to go see the doctor before to strike back. While the Sith Master needs some time before to be able to bite again. That would make the Sidious-Windu duel quite funny. Anakin would have had plenty of time to make up his mind. -----signature----- -Captain, there's a masterpiece, ESB Class, heading our way. -An ESB Class masterpiece ? Are you sure ? When will we make contact ? -May 18th sir. -Good, our first catch of the summer !
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r8hitman Registered: Mar '04	Date Posted: 10/7/05 9:27am Subject: RE: Was Sidious REALLY Darth Plagueis' apprentice?
	sithrules70 posted: r8hitman Well like I said before, in order for the jedi to even know of the "legend of Plagueis" that would mean Plagueis was around "at least" a millenia before TPM. hey r8hitman i dont want to sound offensive but why do u keep bringing this up ?? where the hell did you get from that the jedi knew about the legend of plagueis ?? as far as im concerned palpatine could be the only one who knew it (for being a sith of course).what makes you think that the jedi order even knew that there was a sith lord named Darth Plagueis,they didnt even know of sidious who existed in their timeline.... Sounds to me like someone didnt read the earlier posts The reason I said that Plageuis must have been common knowledge is because of the way Sidious tells Anakin the story and then just "sends him on his way"....now common sense tells you that if this was a story that ONLY a sith lord would know then Palpatine just exposed himself right there. What if Anakin decided to ask someone about it? This CANT be a story that ONLY THE SITH WOULD KNOW. And if Plagueis is known of by ANYONE besides Sidious then just do the math and take Ki Adi's comments in TPM into consideration and you'll be able to determine how long ago it must've been when he was around. This thread isnt that big....just read my earlier posts. -----signature----- -you want answers? -I think I'm entitled. -You want answers? -I want the truth!! -YOU CANT HANDLE THE TRUTH!! http://boards.outerrimsieges.com/
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darth-sinister Title: Manager Emeritus Registered: Jun '01	Date Posted: 10/7/05 11:45am Subject: RE: Was Sidious REALLY Darth Plagueis' apprentice?
	Palpatine: "Did you ever hear the tragedy of Darth Plaugeis the Wise?" Anakin: "No." Palpatine: "I thought not. It's not a story the Jedi would tell you. It's a Sith legend." Palpatine knows that Anakin won't ever talk to the Jedi about that, cause they wouldn't talk about Sith legends. The novelization explains that Palpatine had an affinity for looking into old myths and legends, including those about the Sith. Anakin thought there was nothing wrong with it. Palpatine talks about it as a legend, but in reality it's just his way of Anakin what he did years ago. He paints it as a legend to keep things calm. To get Anakin to consider that if the Jedi won't help him, then perhaps the Sith can. And Anakin's so desperate that he doesn't consider that Palpatine could be a Sith. -----signature----- Stewie: "Oh, this is an even bigger jackpot than when the Emperor came up with the formula for great Star Wars dialouge." Palpatine: "Something, something, something. Dark side. Something, something, something complete."
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severian28 Registered: Apr '04	Date Posted: 10/7/05 1:49pm Subject: RE: Was Sidious REALLY Darth Plagueis' apprentice?
	Well, it's in the novelization for ROTS and totally approved by Lucas, since he line edited the book personally. Well than thats that. Any book that Lucas edits or writes the prolouge to must be considered canon. -----signature----- " Bring the sled " - Al Swearengen " Dying all the time. Lose your dreams and you will lose your mind. Aint life unkind? " - The Rolling Stones
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r8hitman Registered: Mar '04	Date Posted: 10/7/05 2:50pm Subject: RE: Was Sidious REALLY Darth Plagueis' apprentice?
	severian28 posted: Well, it's in the novelization for ROTS and totally approved by Lucas, since he line edited the book personally. Well than thats that. Any book that Lucas edits or writes the prolouge to must be considered canon. I really dont understand the attitudes that people take on certain issues. Let me tell you guys something, when speaking of StarWars..... What is canon? What can we believe? What has stayed consistent over the years? NOTHING Now I dont mean to "burst anyone's bubble", but we're talking about a man that changes his mind more than a middle aged, recently divorced, vindictive woman ......... The ENTIRE SAGA changes every time he decides to release a new movie, if you dont see it, then I dont know what to say. Now you can buy into the "I had it all written out years ago" theory but c'mooooonnnnnn. The ONLY thing that counts/matters is WHAT'S SEEN ONSCREEN everything else is just something that he puts out to humor us while he concocts a new movie/series. Now I dont mind all of the "alternate universes" because they're interesting, but dont get sucked into it to the point that you think that the books, comics, visual dictionaries, and other EU, even amount to a hill of beans when it comes to this saga. Like I said...the ONLY thing that counts is what's onscreen. Now if Lucas REALLY decides that the last StarWars movie will be ROTS, THEN we can start going off of the novels, and other EU, but until then And the reason I asked for some info on the novel is mainly because it's just interesting info to have, and I am a StarWars fan so until he puts out a new movie I'd like to know where we stand as of right now with certain characters, but dont think for one minute that it cant be changed at the drop of a dime. I've gone through all of this before....try here But to a certain extent, the fact that StarWars CANT stay consistent has kept me interested in it. Because it keeps me wondering what kind of story he'll come up with next to "complete" the saga. (But please dont act like what we read or hear outside of the movie is written in stone ) Lucas= -----signature----- -you want answers? -I think I'm entitled. -You want answers? -I want the truth!! -YOU CANT HANDLE THE TRUTH!! http://boards.outerrimsieges.com/
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sithrules70 Registered: May '05	Date Posted: 10/7/05 3:21pm Subject: RE: Was Sidious REALLY Darth Plagueis' apprentice?
	Sounds to me like someone didnt read the earlier posts The reason I said that Plageuis must have been common knowledge is because of the way Sidious tells Anakin the story and then just "sends him on his way"....now common sense tells you that if this was a story that ONLY a sith lord would know then Palpatine just exposed himself right there. What if Anakin decided to ask someone about it? This CANT be a story that ONLY THE SITH WOULD KNOW. first of all palpatine knew that anakin would never risk to ask the jedi about knowledge of the dark side,what if they ask him why ?? he says : " because the wife that i shouldnt have will die and with the dark side i can save her",not likely,the only reason palps told him about his master is because he knew about anakin's nightmares,he knew that anakin was desperate to find a way ,light side or dark side. you say he would expose himself too much by telling anakin this legend ?? i disagree because he exposed himself a lot more when he revealed himself to anakin and he just allowed anakin to leave and he just waited for the jedi to go.he didnt care about mace and his posse because he knew anakin would join him.
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severian28 Registered: Apr '04	Date Posted: 10/7/05 3:33pm Subject: RE: Was Sidious REALLY Darth Plagueis' apprentice?
	Relax, Hitman - if you read my earlier post you'd see that I think there IS evidence in the film itself. And Im sorry, if Lucas says it or writes it down than thats what it is, and if he changes his mind, then THATS what it is. Its his world pal, not yours or mine. -----signature----- " Bring the sled " - Al Swearengen " Dying all the time. Lose your dreams and you will lose your mind. Aint life unkind? " - The Rolling Stones
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Galathor45 Registered: Oct '05	Date Posted: 10/7/05 4:00pm Subject: RE: Was Sidious REALLY Darth Plagueis' apprentice?
	I think Darth Plagueis was sidious's master, he could've just lied about him being a legend known to the Jedi (I mean that wouldn't be the first lie he told). Which is why Anakin never heard of him to begin with. The theory about Plageis being as old as a millenia seems highly unlikey, but if he had the power to keep things from dying....who knows? -----signature----- swana.cjb.net Enter a Galaxy in conflict...
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