R8Hitman posted:How can he be the apprentice of a "legend" that the jedi would have known about and NOT be somewhere around Yoda's age?
r8hitman posted:-maynard- posted:just because the word legend is used, doesnt mean it happened hundreds of years ago. Michael Jordan is a legend and he's only been retired for 7 years Well like I said before, in order for the jedi to even know of the "legend of Plagueis" that would mean Plagueis was around "at least" a millenia before TPM. Ki-Adi: "the sith have been extinct for a millenia" So yes, in this case IT DOES mean that it happened hundreds of years ago.
-maynard- posted:just because the word legend is used, doesnt mean it happened hundreds of years ago. Michael Jordan is a legend and he's only been retired for 7 years
r8hitman posted:Darth Plagueis was supposed to be a "Sith Legend" that the jedi could have possibly known about
-maynard- posted:r8hitman posted:-maynard- posted:just because the word legend is used, doesnt mean it happened hundreds of years ago. Michael Jordan is a legend and he's only been retired for 7 years Well like I said before, in order for the jedi to even know of the "legend of Plagueis" that would mean Plagueis was around "at least" a millenia before TPM. Ki-Adi: "the sith have been extinct for a millenia" So yes, in this case IT DOES mean that it happened hundreds of years ago. I really dont get why this is an issue. the sith obviously werent extinct, so that quote is a false statement. There were sith there the whole time. Any age is possible, but its not because the word legend is used and because the Jedi think the Sith are dead. Again, legend doesnt have to mean hundreds of years and the quote is wrong
That_Wascally_Droid posted: r8hitman posted:Darth Plagueis was supposed to be a "Sith Legend" that the jedi could have possibly known about Where does it say that the Jedi knew anything about Plagueis? 'Did you ever hear the legend of Darth Plagueis the wise?' 'It's not a story the Jedi would tell you about.' Good. Plant more seeds of doubt and lies in Anakin's head. He already thinks they're lying and keeping things from him. But Palpatine never says, 'Go ask Yoda. They were drinking buddies.' Palpatine himself calls it a Sith legend. He didn't out and out say he was a Sith at the time, so, he's not going to say 'Did I ever tell you the story of my Sith Master? Oops...' What I don't understand is how people regularly assume everyone in the movie is lying to them. Unless they're lying, where it's undeniable proof cause it's said in the movie. Look at the Syfo Dyas debacle for example. Then when these things are brought up, people who are obviously determined to hate this thing latch onto it and proclaim it a plothole (they get a dime from Kurtz for everytime they use that phrase you see). But, if you're determined to see something some way, knock yourself out. I know what I think of the movie and have vague ideas through quotes, books, and interviews about what Lucas thinks of it, and that's more than good enough for me.
Darth_Klakabush posted:Plagueis could be thousands of years old, but that doesn't mean that Sidious is. Maybe, Plagueis kept himself alive with his powers for a long time, and trained many sith, killing them off until he found the strongest sith - Sidious. When he found the most powerful sith he could, he passed on all his knowledge, but then Sidious owned him while Plagueis was sleeping.
DUGGY posted:See what you're not understanding is that I'm not basing Plagueis' age on the word "legend"....I'm basing it off of the fact that the jedi didnt know about the sith still being active, but are supposedly supposed to know about "Plagueis the Wise". This would require him to be "at least" a thousand years old. Think about it. You are still assuming the Jedi know of Plaguies. Why can't he just be baiting Anakin?. it still has the same result. If the Jedi thought that the Sith were still extinct before TPM then , then they would not know who Plagiues is .because it would be lore that was passed down between Sith,and no Jedi could know. he say's the Jedi would not tell Anakin because he wants to feed Anakin's distrust of the Jedi. But i have know doubt that Plagieus was real and he was Palps Master. Palpatine just could not tell Anakin who he really was at this point of the movie. so he calls it a legend. simple.
Sauron_18 posted:Im just gonna repost this so its not ignored: PLagueis is not a thousand years old, the most he could be is 200, Sidious calls it a legend and calls Plagueis the Wise just as little things to keep anakin from asking "how do you know". PLagueis was probably the apprentice of the apprentice of the apprentice of the apprentice of the apprentice of the apprentice of the apprentice of the apprentice of the apprentice of Darth Bane. This is roughly calculated, but thats about how many Sith Are probably between them, 9 sith, more or less. And Palpatine IS from Naboo, where does it say? The official Site: http://www.starwars.com/databank/character/palpatine/index.html And the New Essential Guide to Characters.
