Author Topic: Was Sidious REALLY Darth Plagueis' apprentice?
Sauron_18  3594 posts
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Date Posted: 7/11/05 3:29pm Subject: RE: Was Sidious REALLY Darth Plagueis' apprentice?
"Sauron -- What are you basing that on????"

Basic EU knowledge, those 1,000 years were for many Sith on hiding. The average star Wars human leaves some 100 or 120 years (estimate), the average human sith or jedi lives about 200 years,PLagueis wasnt ancient, he was the master before Sidious, and Sidious wasnt ancient either, there were many sith before them both and after Darth Bane. The EU doesnt contradict the movies and the movies dont contradict the EU, it all fits together perfectly, even when Lucas decides to do some weird crap.

 

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r8hitman  4085 posts
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Date Posted: 7/11/05 3:33pm Subject: RE: Was Sidious REALLY Darth Plagueis' apprentice?
How is Lucas the one doing the weird crap? confused


THEIR HIS MOVIES! laugh

If anything is weird it's the EU.


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But Sauron just listen for a minute....let's just forget about the EU for a second, if the jedi believe that the sith have been extinct for a millenium then if they know about "the legend of Plagueis" then he would have to have come BEFORE the extinction of the sith.

But let's say for a minute that the jedi DONT know about Plagueis....Why would Palpatine tell Anakin a story about a character THAT ONLY A SITH WOULD KNOW?
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That would leave Anakin open to expose him right then and there.

This must be a story that ANYONE could know about, and if ANYONE knows about it then the jedi probably have at least heard something about it, and if that's the case then Plagueis has to have come from an era when the sith were still active.

 

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Daroone-Kenobi 
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Date Posted: 7/11/05 3:35pm Subject: RE: Was Sidious REALLY Darth Plagueis' apprentice?
I agree that these two Sith are not anchient. Nut to find out that Sisious killed his master in his sleep shoocked me. In the Old Republic There were thousands of sith,but not in hidind. Sidious wanted to bring back sith control but he is the last sith before Darth Maul came into the picture.

 

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yoshifett  7632 posts
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Date Posted: 7/11/05 3:38pm Subject: RE: Was Sidious REALLY Darth Plagueis' apprentice?
Sauron_18 posted:
"Sauron -- What are you basing that on????"

Basic EU knowledge, those 1,000 years were for many Sith on hiding. The average star Wars human leaves some 100 or 120 years (estimate), the average human sith or jedi lives about 200 years,PLagueis wasnt ancient, he was the master before Sidious, and Sidious wasnt ancient either, there were many sith before them both and after Darth Bane. The EU doesnt contradict the movies and the movies dont contradict the EU, it all fits together perfectly, even when Lucas decides to do some weird crap.



Did you miss the quote above? Please read it. The GFFA is Lucas' world. Anything EU authors do is in a "parallel universe"

Just look at what the Jedi are able to do in the clone war cartoons. Totally contradicts the films.

 

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Green_Destiny_Sword  4358 posts
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Date Posted: 7/11/05 3:39pm Subject: RE: Was Sidious REALLY Darth Plagueis' apprentice?
R8THTMAN -- No prob man. It seems pretty clear the way you explain it.

Sauran -- I don't really go by EU. Just cannon. And from the films, R8THTMAN is pretty much on the money.

 

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r8hitman  4085 posts
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Date Posted: 7/11/05 3:47pm Subject: RE: Was Sidious REALLY Darth Plagueis' apprentice?
Yeah the EU will throw you completely off.

The last EU material that I saw/purchased was a Darth Maul Vs. Darth Vader comic. tongue

(that shows you how long it's been)

That stuff is interesting (sometimes) but dont try to mix it in with the movies....wont work. shame_on_you

 

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Daroone-Kenobi 
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Date Posted: 7/11/05 3:48pm Subject: RE: Was Sidious REALLY Darth Plagueis' apprentice?
r8hitman posted:
How is Lucas the one doing the weird crap? confused


THEIR HIS MOVIES! laugh

If anything is weird it's the EU.


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But Sauron just listen for a minute....let's just forget about the EU for a second, if the jedi believe that the sith have been extinct for a millenium then if they know about "the legend of Plagueis" then he would have to have come BEFORE the extinction of the sith.

But let's say for a minute that the jedi DONT know about Plagueis....Why would Palpatine tell Anakin a story about a character THAT ONLY A SITH WOULD KNOW?
raised_brow

That would leave Anakin open to expose him right then and there.

This must be a story that ANYONE could know about, and if ANYONE knows about it then the jedi probably have at least heard something about it, and if that's the case then Plagueis has to have come from an era when the sith were still active.

That does make sence,but do you think that Plagueis is that old? Or is he even human for that matter?

 

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yoshifett  7632 posts
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Date Posted: 7/11/05 3:50pm Subject: RE: Was Sidious REALLY Darth Plagueis' apprentice?
r8hitman posted:
Yeah the EU will throw you completely off.

The last EU material that I saw/purchased was a Darth Maul Vs. Darth Vader comic. tongue

(that shows you how long it's been)

That stuff is interesting (sometimes) but dont try to mix it in with the movies....wont work. shame_on_you




Great shot, R8hitman! That was one in a million!

People will ignore you astute comments, as well as the quote directly from Lucas above though, and keep talking about Exar Kun and Luuke the evil Jedi clone as if these things have ANYTHING to do with the actual films.

 

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r8hitman  4085 posts
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Date Posted: 7/11/05 3:51pm Subject: RE: Was Sidious REALLY Darth Plagueis' apprentice?
That does make sence,but do you think that Plagueis is that old? Or is he even human for that matter?

I dont know.

That's why I asked "Was Sidious REALLY Darth Plagueis' apprentice?" wink

 

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Daroone-Kenobi 
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Date Posted: 7/11/05 3:53pm Subject: RE: Was Sidious REALLY Darth Plagueis' apprentice?
r8hitman posted:
I dont know.

That's why I asked "Was Sidious REALLY Darth Plagueis' apprentice?" wink

I will have to look a bit more when I first heard Sidious tell the story I was in shock.

 

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yoshifett  7632 posts
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Date Posted: 7/11/05 3:56pm Subject: RE: Was Sidious REALLY Darth Plagueis' apprentice?
Daroone-Kenobi posted:
r8hitman posted:
I dont know.

That's why I asked "Was Sidious REALLY Darth Plagueis' apprentice?" wink

I will have to look a bit more in this. By the way this is my fiist time on a Star Wars board o I will try to keep up.


The only answer you are going to get to this question will be from watching Sidious in the opera scene. Especially when he talks about the irony of Plagueis death. It seems pretty clear that Palpatine enjoys that memory of betrayal. Also, in the reveal scene, he talks about how his mentor taught him about the dark side. You put two and two together, you get your answer. This is just conjecture, but I'll take this interpretation over the EU any day.

 

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r8hitman  4085 posts
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Date Posted: 7/11/05 3:57pm Subject: RE: Was Sidious REALLY Darth Plagueis' apprentice?
hugs Welcome.


bewareofthe'EU' worried

 

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Daroone-Kenobi 
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Date Posted: 7/11/05 3:59pm Subject: RE: Was Sidious REALLY Darth Plagueis' apprentice?
yoshifett posted:
Daroone-Kenobi posted:
r8hitman posted:
I dont know.

That's why I asked "Was Sidious REALLY Darth Plagueis' apprentice?" wink

I will have to look a bit more in this. By the way this is my fiist time on a Star Wars board o I will try to keep up.


The only answer you are going to get to this question will be from watching Sidious in the opera scene. Especially when he talks about the irony of Plagueis death. It seems pretty clear that Palpatine enjoys that memory of betrayal. Also, in the reveal scene, he talks about how his mentor taught him about the dark side. You put two and two together, you get your answer. This is just conjecture, but I'll take this interpretation over the EU any day.

Indeed he does enjoy betrayal,and the trick to cheat death did not help his master,but it did according to EU to help out Sidious. And thanks for the warning.

 

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r8hitman  4085 posts
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Date Posted: 7/11/05 4:02pm Subject: RE: Was Sidious REALLY Darth Plagueis' apprentice?
yoshifett posted:

The only answer you are going to get to this question will be from watching Sidious in the opera scene. Especially when he talks about the irony of Plagueis death. It seems pretty clear that Palpatine enjoys that memory of betrayal. Also, in the reveal scene, he talks about how his mentor taught him about the dark side. You put two and two together, you get your answer. This is just conjecture, but I'll take this interpretation over the EU any day.



Exactly.

And when you think about the entire saga and Ki-Adi's comments in TPM concerning the sith, and the fact that Sidious told Anakin this story and wasnt "immediately accused of being a sith" then the only logical answer is that Plagueis is from an "active sith era" and then just do the math and figure out Sidious' age.



IF he was that apprentice.
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Sauron_18  3594 posts
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Date Posted: 7/11/05 4:02pm Subject: RE: Was Sidious REALLY Darth Plagueis' apprentice?
"But let's say for a minute that the jedi DONT know about Plagueis....Why would Palpatine tell Anakin a story about a character THAT ONLY A SITH WOULD KNOW?


That would leave Anakin open to expose him right then and there.

This must be a story that ANYONE could know about, and if ANYONE knows about it then the jedi probably have at least heard something about it, and if that's the case then Plagueis has to have come from an era when the sith were still active."

Palpatine told the story because there was no way anakin would either ask the jedi who darth plagueis was or investigate, since he couldnt, and asking would only make them suspicious of him, plus, Palpatine is one of Anakins closest friends, its not like he would just go and tell the masters he SUSPECTED it, and he didnt even suspect him, he might have just thought it was knowledge only someon as poweful as a politician but unnacociated (sp) with the jedi could know.

And the EU is canon, The Clone Wars Cartoon are not entirely canon, since those interfere with other events in the EU more canon. The Eu and the Movies are star wars, each alone is nothing. If Lucas decides to change something, thats his fault, he is just contradicting things he accepted before, Lucas Changes his mind too much at times, for whatever reason, what is written is written, what is filmed is filmed.

Plagueis and Sidious were the last in a long line of hidden sith (without counting Sidious' apprentices.

 

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