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DARTH-SHREDDER  6501 posts
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Date Posted: 7/11/05 4:04pm Subject: RE: Was Sidious REALLY Darth Plagueis' apprentice?
There are no contradictions anywhere in the EU.

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r8hitman  4085 posts
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Date Posted: 7/11/05 4:10pm Subject: RE: Was Sidious REALLY Darth Plagueis' apprentice?
Sauron, I dont agree with you about the "Anakin wouldnt ask" theory.

That would make Sidious out to be either extremely stupid or omniscient.

I dont think he's stupid, and since he let a one handed damaged cyborg sneak up on him, put him in a gorilla press and toss him into a reactor I seriously doubt he's omniscient either.

There had to be SOME truth to this story and the jedi had to have had a way to confirm some (if not all) of it.

But I do agree with you about one thing.....Lucas DOES change his mind too much. applause

 

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Sauron_18  3594 posts
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Date Posted: 7/11/05 4:12pm Subject: RE: Was Sidious REALLY Darth Plagueis' apprentice?
@That's like saying George Bush is a good president!"

No, its nothing like that,cuz its true that there are no contradictions, not if you understand it well and meld it correctly, I have never seen the EU and the movies as two separeate things, they are star wars

 

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r8hitman  4085 posts
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Date Posted: 7/11/05 4:13pm Subject: RE: Was Sidious REALLY Darth Plagueis' apprentice?
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darth-sinister  43577 posts
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Date Posted: 7/11/05 4:14pm Subject: RE: Was Sidious REALLY Darth Plagueis' apprentice?
It just means that Palpatine knows Anakin too well. Anakin doesn't bother to guard his thoughts from Palpatine, thus he's like an open book to him. Palpatine knows that Anakin won't go rushing to the Jedi to talk about Plaugeis, especially since he doesn't trust them anymore.

 

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r8hitman  4085 posts
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Date Posted: 7/11/05 4:16pm Subject: RE: Was Sidious REALLY Darth Plagueis' apprentice?
I think that would be too risky.

It MUST be some evidence SOMEWHERE about Plagueis.

Otherwise Sidious prematurely risks being exposed as a sith OR is made out to be a liar, and both scenarios risk him losing Anakin as an apprentice.

 

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DUGGY  3646 posts
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Date Posted: 7/11/05 4:19pm Subject: RE: Was Sidious REALLY Darth Plagueis' apprentice?
The only answer you are going to get to this question will be from watching Sidious in the opera scene. Especially when he talks about the irony of Plagueis death. It seems pretty clear that Palpatine enjoys that memory of betrayal. Also, in the reveal scene, he talks about how his mentor taught him about the dark side

This is clearly the answer. I agree that he does seem to be reflecting , more than telling a story. I'm sure not everything that comes out of his mouth is B.S.

 

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r8hitman  4085 posts
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Date Posted: 7/11/05 4:24pm Subject: RE: Was Sidious REALLY Darth Plagueis' apprentice?
DUGGY posted:
The only answer you are going to get to this question will be from watching Sidious in the opera scene. Especially when he talks about the irony of Plagueis death. It seems pretty clear that Palpatine enjoys that memory of betrayal. Also, in the reveal scene, he talks about how his mentor taught him about the dark side

This is clearly the answer. I agree that he does seem to be reflecting , more than telling a story. I'm sure not everything that comes out of his mouth is B.S.


OK, so if you think that's true then how old do you think Sidious or Plagueis is?

 

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Sauron_18  3594 posts
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Date Posted: 7/11/05 4:27pm Subject: RE: Was Sidious REALLY Darth Plagueis' apprentice?
Actually, everything Palpatine says itself is true, but most of the time its a twisted truth or said in a way that would make the listener understand something completely different.

Plagueis was his master, this is official. None of them were ancient in the sense that Yoda is ancient. Sidious knew Anakin would not even want to consider suspecting of him, or that he would ask about Plagueis. Palpatine specifically told him "Not from a Jedi", therefore Anakin knew his masters wouldn't help him, Palpatine was his only choice, to ruin his only hope of saving his wife would be... unwise.

And R8hitman, Im not lost, you may hate the EU (may), but I dont, its as canon as the movies. But since this is getting of topic then lets close that discussion with opinion, I like it you dont, there.

 

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DUGGY  3646 posts
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Date Posted: 7/11/05 4:28pm Subject: RE: Was Sidious REALLY Darth Plagueis' apprentice?
OK, so if you think that's true then how old do you think Sidious or Plagueis is?

You baiting me? lol , i know you think Palps was 1000 years old. I think that Palps is average for a guy his age 70 or so, and Plagiues would have been anywhere from 1 - 1000 years old, we don't even know if he is human or not.

 

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r8hitman  4085 posts
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Date Posted: 7/11/05 4:31pm Subject: RE: Was Sidious REALLY Darth Plagueis' apprentice?
DUGGY posted:
OK, so if you think that's true then how old do you think Sidious or Plagueis is?

You baiting me? lol , i know you think Palps was 1000 years old. I think that Palps is average for a guy his age 70 or so, and Plagiues would have been anywhere from 1 - 1000 years old, we don't even know if he is human or not.



No I wasnt baiting you, and I didnt "originally" think Palpatine was 1000.

I was always under the impression that he was somewhere around 120. (based on Ian's comments)

But this Plagueis story from ROTS just doesnt add up. confused




 

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darth-sinister  43577 posts
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Date Posted: 7/11/05 4:32pm Subject: RE: Was Sidious REALLY Darth Plagueis' apprentice?
r8hitman posted:
I think that would be too risky.


As opposed to allowing himself to be kidnapped and nearly getting himself killed in the process? Or "throwing" the fight with Mace, in that Anakin will come and save his bacon? Or going to the Death Star to force the Rebels to come there?

r8hitman posted:
It MUST be some evidence SOMEWHERE about Plagueis.

Otherwise Sidious prematurely risks being exposed as a sith OR is made out to be a liar, and both scenarios risk him losing Anakin as an apprentice.


This is the man who prides himself on getting what he wants. What is life without a few risks? You don't become Emperor of the galaxy without taking chances.

r8hitman posted:
OK, so if you think that's true then how old do you think Sidious or Plagueis is?


Accordingly, since Palpatine is hiding his true face, he's about 120 in ROTJ. This is what Lucas told McDiarmid in 1982. So far, it seems to be accurate.

 

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yoshifett  7632 posts
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Date Posted: 7/11/05 4:32pm Subject: RE: Was Sidious REALLY Darth Plagueis' apprentice?
Sauron18, you need to read this to understand canon vs. EU.
Clone Wars Cartoons and LOE are actually considered the closest to the films that "lower-level" canon can be because of Lucas' involvement and the fact that he wanted these things to fill in the gap between AOTC and ROTS.


"Canon refers to an authoritative list of books that the Lucas Licensing editors consider an authentic part of the official Star Wars history. Our goal is to present a continuous and unified history of the Star Wars galaxy, insofar as that history does not conflict with, or undermine the meaning of Mr. Lucas's Star Wars saga of films and screenplays. Things that Lucas Licensing does not consider official parts of the continuous Star Wars history show an Infinities logo or are contained in Star Wars Tales. Everything else is considered canon.

The analogy is that every piece of published Star Wars fiction is a window into the 'real' Star Wars universe. Some windows are a bit foggier than others. Some are decidedly abstract. But each contains a nugget of truth to them.

Which brings us to the often-asked question: Just what is Star Wars canon, and what is not? The one sure answer: The Star Wars Trilogy Special Edition -- the three films themselves as executive-produced, and in the case of Star Wars written and directed, by George Lucas, are canon. Coming in a close second we have the authorised adaptations of the three films: the novels, radio dramas, and comics."
--Steve Sansweet, Preface to the "Star Wars Encyclopedia"


Sauron18, please read my previous quote from Lucas concerning the films being the ultimate source of "canon" and the EU being a parallel universe. It's very helpful if you want to truly understand the distinction.

 
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DUGGY  3646 posts
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Date Posted: 7/11/05 4:35pm Subject: RE: Was Sidious REALLY Darth Plagueis' apprentice?
No I wasnt baiting you, and I didnt "originally" think Palpatine was 1000.

I was always under the impression that he was somewhere around 120. (based on Ian's comments)

But this Plagueis story from ROTS just doesnt add up.

Sorry, my mistake. peace I must be confused. which comments do you refer?.

 

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r8hitman  4085 posts
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Date Posted: 7/11/05 4:36pm Subject: RE: Was Sidious REALLY Darth Plagueis' apprentice?
As opposed to allowing himself to be kidnapped and nearly getting himself killed in the process? Or "throwing" the fight with Mace, in that Anakin will come and save his bacon? Or going to the Death Star to force the Rebels to come there?


For the record, I dont think he "let" Mace win.

Mace was simply the better duelist on that day.


But that's for another thread. wink

 

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