r8hitman posted:

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As opposed to allowing himself to be kidnapped and nearly getting himself killed in the process? Or "throwing" the fight with Mace, in that Anakin will come and save his bacon? Or going to the Death Star to force the Rebels to come there?


For the record, I dont think he "let" Mace win.

Mace was simply the better duelist on that day.


But that's for another thread.

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yoshifett posted:

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r8hitman posted:

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As opposed to allowing himself to be kidnapped and nearly getting himself killed in the process? Or "throwing" the fight with Mace, in that Anakin will come and save his bacon? Or going to the Death Star to force the Rebels to come there?


For the record, I dont think he "let" Mace win.

Mace was simply the better duelist on that day.


But that's for another thread.

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You ain't kidding! That thread's a monstrosity!

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DUGGY posted:

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No I wasnt baiting you, and I didnt "originally" think Palpatine was 1000.

I was always under the impression that he was somewhere around 120. (based on Ian's comments)

But this Plagueis story from ROTS just doesnt add up.

Sorry, my mistake. I must be confused. which comments do you refer?.

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r8hitman posted:

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-maynard- posted:

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r8hitman posted:

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[quote=-maynard-]just because the word legend is used, doesnt mean it happened hundreds of years ago.

Michael Jordan is a legend and he's only been retired for 7 years

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Well like I said before, in order for the jedi to even know of the "legend of Plagueis" that would mean Plagueis was around "at least" a millenia before TPM.

Ki-Adi: "the sith have been extinct for a millenia"

So yes, in this case IT DOES mean that it happened hundreds of years ago.

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I really dont get why this is an issue. the sith obviously werent extinct, so that quote is a false statement. There were sith there the whole time. Any age is possible, but its not because the word legend is used and because the Jedi think the Sith are dead.

Again, legend doesnt have to mean hundreds of years and the quote is wrong

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r8hitman posted:

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you're not understanding what I'm saying.

Listen....the jedi believe the sith to be extinct right?

Ok, well if the sith are supposed to be extinct then in order for the jedi to even KNOW about Plageuis, Plagueis would have had to have been around BEFORE the "supposed" extinction of the sith.

Sidious asked Anakin had he ever heard the legend of Darth Plagueis the wise, and he also said that it is probably a story that the jedi wouldnt have told him, keep in mind that he's not saying that they dont know, but that they wouldnt have TOLD him about the legend.

So if I was a betting man, I'd bet it all on the fact that the jedi probably know of Plagueis.

Why would Sidious risk telling Anakin something that could have been proven to be false if Anakin simply "asked Yoda or another master about the legend"?

That definately wouldnt help Sidious' credibility if he was caught in an outright lie right off the top.

See what you're not understanding is that I'm not basing Plagueis' age on the word "legend"....I'm basing it off of the fact that the jedi didnt know about the sith still being active, but are supposedly supposed to know about "Plagueis the Wise".


This would require him to be "at least" a thousand years old.


Think about it.

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Sauron_18 posted:

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Plagueis wasn't known by the Jedi. Only Darth Sidious and Tyranus (and maybe some lackeys) knew of him. Palpatine used it as an excuse to know the tale, he had to tell Anakin the tale, and that way was the only way to do it, he wasn't just going to go, "Oh by the way, this Sith you know, well he can stop people from dying", instead he said "Have you ever hear the legend of Darth Plagueis the Wise?". There were many legends and stories about the Sith during the "dead" millennium, but the Jedi didn't believe any of them.

Point is, Plagueis was Sidious' direct master, neither of them lived 1,000 years before TPM, neither of them lived 400 years before TPM.

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