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fistofthedarklord
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8/25/05 9:36am
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I've been writing a fan fiction on this if anybody's interested. Its in my link. Just check da link and dere you go!
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darth-sinister
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joshuavance posted:
Not if Anakin turning to the Darkside and the Jedi being decimated were a part of the overall package, which is becoming an increasingly feasible and appropriately ironic notion.
The Force seems to have simply decided to clean house. Both Jedi, and Sith. Leaving nothing at the end but Luke, and harmony finally. No more wars, battles, manipulations, etc etc. I think the Force simply got tired of it.
Who says that the Force created Anakin? According to Lucas, it might have been Darth Sidious who did it. As it is, Anakin's destiny was to kill the Sith to bring balance. The Jedi weren't meant to be wiped out. They were because of bad choices Anakin made.
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whostheBossk
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2/1/06 2:00pm
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I would say as crazy as it sounded before, after reflecting on
everything, I would say Yoda could have lessen the hate Anakin had
Obi-wan, while Sidious would have had his hands full with Obi-wan.
I think fate has it's way in both cases, but it is fun to venture
on this subject thinking about what differences would take place.
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jedi_jacks
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2/1/06 2:26pm
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heyya fistofthedarklord, i will check out that fanfiction. but i think, no matter how angry anakin got, he would *never* think he could defeat yoda. (even anakin knew he would need a few years to challenge yoda legitimately)
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Obi-2_Kenobi
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From the looks of yoda vs. dooku and ankin vs. dooku(2), i would say yoda and anakin are about equal in combat. Plus Obi-wan survived anakin's most vicious onslaught ever and then beat him, adding to the ist of seemingly stronger opponents he has beaten. I think he could at least hang with sidious.
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ticopuma
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2/1/06 10:34pm
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Yoda would have killed Anakin in about 4 minutes
Sidious would have beaten Obi Wan in about 2 minutes
Yoda vs. Sidious
Stalemate
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mjerome3
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2/1/06 11:08pm
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I think Obi-Wan would have lasted 10 seconds with Sidious because he didn't even last 30 seconds against Dooku. Anakin vs. Yoda would have been interesting. I believe Anakin would have struggle against Yoda, much like Luke struggled against Vader in ESB. But having just beat Dooku, and seeing that Yoda and Dooku had fough to a stand still, I could imagine Anakin pulling out a victory, with Yoda retreating.
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kyoshiro-kenobi
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2/1/06 11:41pm
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I honestly believe that Obi-Wan could have and would have conquered Sidious. He was flat-out the more skilled with a lightsaber. I don't think he would've have gone in as cocky as Yoda, and wouldn't have been caught off-guard with the Sith lightning. I think he could have kept the fight contained in Sidious' chambers, limited to lightsabers. That being the case, he wins.
However, Sidious getting into the Senate chambers changes things- he gets enough distance between him and Obi-Wan to start raining pods down on him all day long means Obi-Wan beats a quick and tactical retreat.
I don't know that Anakin would've beaten Yoda, but I think it makes for a very interesting what-if. Like the above hypothesis, if Anakin and Yoda stick to sabers, I think Anakin wins. I just don't think 800+ year old Yoda has the stamina to have such a prolonged duel as Anakin and Obi-Wan had. When it comes to using the Force to hurl large chunks of equipment at one another, Yoda cleans the floor with him.
And if the movies have shown anything, it's that any given character can beat any other character on any given Sunday:
Dooku trains Qui-Gon
Sidious trains Maul
Qui-Gon trains Obi-Wan
Maul defeats Qui-gon
Obi-Wan defeats Maul
Obi-Wan trains Anakin
Dooku defeats Obi-Wan
Dooku defeats Anakin
Dooku draws Yoda
Dooku trains Grievous
Dooku defeats Obi-Wan
Anakin defeats Dooku
Obi-Wan defeats Grievous
Sidious defeats Yoda
Obi-Wan defeats Anakin
Obi-Wan/Yoda train Luke
Vader defeats Obi-Wan
Vader defeats Luke
Luke defeats Vader
Vader defeats Sidious
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Rossa83
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fistofthedarklord posted:
I've been writing a fan fiction on this if anybody's interested. Its in my link. Just check da link and dere you go!
I just read all of it. Impressive, I must say. However, I think you portrayed Yoda as too ill-tempered. I don't think we see any character that is calmer than Yoda. Also, I think Yoda would defeat Anakin. The ending was spectacular though... I was hoping you actually would have given Yoda the reverance he deserves - the PT did him justice, but not too much I think. But I'm a Yoda fan.
Good and interesting writing 
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jedi_jacks
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ticopuma
Yoda would have killed Anakin in about 4 minutes
Sidious would have beaten Obi Wan in about 2 minutes
Yoda vs. Sidious
Stalemate
Whew! I agree with ticopuma. V I do not agree with these ones, though. V 
Obi-2_Kenobi
From the looks of yoda vs. dooku and ankin vs. dooku(2), i would say yoda and anakin are about equal in combat. Plus Obi-wan survived anakin's most vicious onslaught ever and then beat him, adding to the ist of seemingly stronger opponents he has beaten. I think he could at least hang with sidious.
mjerome3
I think Obi-Wan would have lasted 10 seconds with Sidious because he didn't even last 30 seconds against Dooku.
I agree with mjerome3 so much here, but then . . . wha?!?! V What's this V
mjerome3
Anakin vs. Yoda would have been interesting. I believe Anakin would have struggle against Yoda, much like Luke struggled against Vader in ESB. But having just beat Dooku, and seeing that Yoda and Dooku had fough to a stand still, I could imagine Anakin pulling out a victory, with Yoda retreating.
Please don't tell me common opinion is the dooku-yoda fight was a stalemate, jeez! You really believe Vader could defeat Yoda? Maybe in time, but no way in RotS.
kyoshiro-kenobi
I honestly believe that Obi-Wan could have and would have conquered Sidious. He was flat-out the more skilled with a lightsaber. I don't think he would've have gone in as cocky as Yoda, and wouldn't have been caught off-guard with the Sith lightning. I think he could have kept the fight contained in Sidious' chambers, limited to lightsabers. That being the case, he wins.
Well, since you've got kenobi in your name, I'll give you this one - even if there's no way.
kyoshiro-kenobi
I don't know that Anakin would've beaten Yoda, but I think it makes for a very interesting what-if. Like the above hypothesis, if Anakin and Yoda stick to sabers, I think Anakin wins. I just don't think 800+ year old Yoda has the stamina to have such a prolonged duel as Anakin and Obi-Wan had. When it comes to using the Force to hurl large chunks of equipment at one another, Yoda cleans the floor with him.
Man, it's like Yoda is just another Jedi, it seems. To me, he is the greatest lightside user of the force ever.
Look at the final fight scene in RotS: Yoda retreats where Vader rushes in -> Yoda is far superior to Vader.
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Rossa83
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I don't think Yoda is affected by a little crude thing such as stamina. The force guides him, and a powerfull ally it is 
Yoda could have gone to Mustafar and killed Anakin, and he would have done it. However, he saw the chance of killing both. He was not weaker than SIdeous, but it was not HIS destiny to defeat Sideous. That's what happened to Mace as well... the small things that we would refer to as luck determines a battle that would otherwise go to the best. Mace bested Sideous, but was killed by Anakin. Yoda gained the upper hand against Sideous in their force duel, but fell because he couldn't catch on to anything - luck? or fate?
OBW vs Sideous... I'm an OBW fan. Am I then excused not to say anything. For the benefit of my, and OBW's health? 
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ticopuma
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2/2/06 12:58pm
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Although people dont really listen to me. Although I'm 99.9% suer Yoda would pwn Anakin, I am the president of the yoda fan club so...dont take my word for things if it includes yoda 
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ZamWesell44
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Well according to Yoda, Kenobi could not deal with DS, but if Mace could fight him Kenobi could, and i would never underestimate Kenobi, in saying that Sidious would kill him. Anakin in a straight up lightsaber fight by ROTS rivaled Yoda, and proably had passed him in that aspect, Yoda would have used the force though, and Anakin could not hang with him in that. They did both fight Count Dooku. Yoda did not touch him, he might have if it had gone on, but Dooku had to be somewhat tired after the 2, and Anakin cut off his head, so.
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jedi_jacks
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ZamWesell44
Well according to Yoda, Kenobi could not deal with DS, but if Mace could fight him Kenobi could, and i would never underestimate Kenobi, in saying that Sidious would kill him.
Mace Windu would have beaten Obi-Wan mercifully and easily, exactly like Yoda could.
ZamWesell44
Anakin in a straight up lightsaber fight by ROTS rivaled Yoda, and proably had passed him in that aspect, Yoda would have used the force though, and Anakin could not hang with him in that. They did both fight Count Dooku. Yoda did not touch him, he might have if it had gone on, but Dooku had to be somewhat tired after the 2, and Anakin cut off his head, so.
Anakin has potential, moments where he surpasses Yoda even, but no way is Anakin ready for either Yoda or Sidious . . . yet.
And what do we think about force powers?
Me, I think it is very powerful against non-force users, but not against competatent jedi. Dooku got the best of Obi-Wan once (RotS), Vader got the best of young Luke once (tESB), Dooku electro-shocked Anakin when he wasn't expecting it (AotC) -- but for the most part, force pushes and electricity are no match for a lightsaber. Look at Obi-Wan and Dooku (AotC), Dooku would've overpowered Obi-Wan with electricy right there if he could.
lightsaber beats force pushes, electricity almost everytime
lightsaber > force pushes, electricity.
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ZamWesell44
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Mace would not beat Kenobi easily, thats crazy.
IF lightsaber is greater Anakin would beat Yoda. He looked ready fighting Dooku.
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