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Rossa83
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2/2/06 3:32pm
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ZamWesell44 posted:
Mace would not beat Kenobi easily, thats crazy.
IF lightsaber is greater Anakin would beat Yoda. He looked ready fighting Dooku.
Clearly you are biased towards OBW and Anakin. OBW's greates feat was not his amazing strengths. If you read the OS he was barely taken up by Qui-Gon to be trained. OBW has intensity and he is persistent, both in reaching his goals and in standing up for what he believes in.
Mace is a powerful character. We know too little of him really. But we know he is supposed to be on par with Yoda. Yoda is the top dog.
The duel between OBW and Anakin shows more than anything that even though there is someone who is possibly more powerful, he can be defeated because of his lack of experience and calmness. Mace is portrayed as extremely powerful. Just look at how easily he takes out Fett? How he disarms and overpowers Sideous. What more proof do you need?
OBW is the cunning, wise and brilliant Jedi, who always seem to achieve his goals. But Yoda says that enough is enough. Let's not tempt fate any further. You can't compete with Sideous. It is said that only Mace and Yoda can compete with Sideous... they showed they could. OBW showed us he could defeat Anakin - not bad that either if you ask me 
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ZamWesell44
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it is also said in that quote that Anakin can beat Sidious, and it does not say in the future. It says Anakin could have could done it, had he not been beaten by Kenobi.
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JediKnight_EJL
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2/2/06 7:39pm
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I think you all overestimate Yoda, Yoda is powerful but if you all remember in AOTC Yoda fights Dooku and Dooku holds his own against him, in ROTS Anakin takes Dooku back to lightsaber school. Anakin was really powerful don’t get me wrong Yoda would have beat Anakin but it would have been a matched battle. Overall if Yoda fought Anakin and Obi fought Sidious they would have both succeeded. Don’t underestimate Obi Wan Kenobi.
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ticopuma
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2/2/06 7:47pm
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ZamWesell44 posted:
it is also said in that quote that Anakin can beat Sidious, and it does not say in the future. It says Anakin could have could done it, had he not been beaten by Kenobi.
Anakin could have beaten ANYONE, but because of his stupidity never got to that point.
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farrellg
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ZamWesell44 posted:
it is also said in that quote that Anakin can beat Sidious, and it does not say in the future. It says Anakin could have could done it, had he not been beaten by Kenobi.
He didn't say that Anakin could destroy the Emperor in ROTS. Lucas said that Anakin could have beat the Emperor if he didn't get all beat up. This means that after the events of ROTS, when Anakin has grown in power, he would be stronger than the Emperor and able to defeat him. I know this because of all the official evidence indicating that Anakin is weaker than the Emperor during ROTS, which I previously outlined in my posts. The OS says the Emperor is the strongest dark side practicioner during ROTS, meaning he's stronger than Anakin. This proves that Lucas was talking about what Anakin could do in the future, not that Anakin was stronger than Palpatine in ROTS.
The Emperor said Luke could "destroy" him in ESB. Obviously, Luke wasn't at the necessary skill level to beat the Emperor at that point. He was referring to what Luke could do in the future, just as Lucas was referring to what Anakin could do in the future.
Lucas called the Emperor the "toughest" in regards to his duel with Yoda, which means he's stronger than Anakin. McDiarmid said that his character is "much more powerful" than Anakin. Master Replicas said the Emperor and Yoda are the greatest wizards of the Force. Yoda sent Obi-Wan to fight Anakin, showing he considers Anakin the weaker Sith lord. Anakin lost to an opponent who can't even "compete" with the Emperor. The Emperor said "Darth Vader will become more powerful than either of us", meaning he isn't as strong yet.
kyoshiro-kenobi posted:
I honestly believe that Obi-Wan could have and would have conquered Sidious. He was flat-out the more skilled with a lightsaber.
Lucas said "you have to be either Mace or Yoda to compete with the Emperor. This means Obi-Wan doesn't even have a chance against the Emperor, as Yoda said. Obi-Wan's lightsaber skills are inferior to the Emperor's. Gillard said the Emperor is a level 9 swordsman, but Obi-Wan is only a level 8. The Emperor's lightning is so strong that Obi-Wan would probably be easily electrocuted.
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jedi_jacks
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Farrellg i completely agree with you. The only slight point I disagree with at all is this very last bit:
The Emperor's lightning is so strong that Obi-Wan would probably be easily electrocuted.
I think Sidious would have just rushed Obi-Wan pretty close to the same way as the jedi arrest party - with a lightsaber. Otherwise, he would toy with him.
I think that Obi-Wan could defend himself from the lightning, as long as he didn't get too close to Sidious. Obviously if Sidious could use lightning to overpower a jedi's lightsaber, that's all he would ever do (same with jedi and force powers).
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TheLighterSide
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2/3/06 12:59am
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Normally, I don't hold with "what if" scenarios, but this one is intriguing. If you just look at the movies alone, you see that Obi-Wan is fairly decent with a saber. Actually, he is one of the best with the saber. Where he gets into trouble, and this happens in every fight he loses with the exception of the second Vader fight, is when his opponent uses Force powers against him. He can't seem to defend himself against Force attacks. Strictly with the saber, I think he could hold his own with Sidious. Sidious wins the fight, but he wins a close one because his use of the Force puts him over the top. As for Anakin, he is young and foolish, easily manipulated and controlled during a fight because he cannot control his emotions. Yoda takes advantage of this and defeats him, maybe not easily, but defeats him nontheless.
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emporergerner
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2/3/06 1:16pm
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Yoda would easily crush Anakin as would Palpatine easily crush Obi-Wan.
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ticopuma
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2/3/06 3:27pm
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emporergerner posted:
Yoda would easily crush Anakin as would Palpatine easily crush Obi-Wan.
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The same result would occur regardless of their respective foes.
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The_Chibi_Kiriyama
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Hmm...in terms of the Yoda vs. Anakin possibility, Anakin would have been beaten by Yoda, but I wonder if his peaceful nature and Anakin having been a Jedi would stay his hand or force him to kill Skywalker entirely...
As for Obi-Wan vs. Palpatine, farrellg gives Obi-Wan too much credit and sithrules nailed it on the head; Obi-Wan only survived Anakin's assault because of a good defense. When against an enemy with just as good a defense and a powerful trump card to boot Yoda's prediction would have easily come to life.
That's my take on things, feel free to counter it.
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Yoda would destroy Anakin
Palpatine would destroy Obi-Wan
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The_Chibi_Kiriyama posted:
As for Obi-Wan vs. Palpatine, farrellg gives Obi-Wan too much credit and sithrules nailed it on the head; Obi-Wan only survived Anakin's assault because of a good defense. When against an enemy with just as good a defense and a powerful trump card to boot Yoda's prediction would have easily come to life.
That's my take on things, feel free to counter it.
How did I give Obi-Wan too much credit? I said he's no match for the Emperor and would be easily electrocuted.
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The_Chibi_Kiriyama posted:
Hmm...in terms of the Yoda vs. Anakin possibility, Anakin would have been beaten by Yoda, but I wonder if his peaceful nature and Anakin having been a Jedi would stay his hand or force him to kill Skywalker entirely...
As for Obi-Wan vs. Palpatine, farrellg gives Obi-Wan too much credit and sithrules nailed it on the head; Obi-Wan only survived Anakin's assault because of a good defense. When against an enemy with just as good a defense and a powerful trump card to boot Yoda's prediction would have easily come to life.
That's my take on things, feel free to counter it.
Obi-wan was also able to fight Anakin because he is way more xperianced then Anakin.
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ZamWesell44
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Anakin of ROTS was obviously not unbeatatable, but nobody not even Sidious could destroy him, Yoda would have to rely on his force powers to beat him, i do not think Yoda could withstand him in a saber fight, Dooku was close to Yoda in their saber fight.
And experience did not help Dooku and he has more than anyone except Yoda.
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