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Why does ROTS' opening pretend Palpatine is not Sidious?
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-maynard-
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8/16/05 11:32pm
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Why does ROTS' opening pretend Palpatine is not Sidious?
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i dont get it. in anakin/obi-wan vs. dooku, the camera cuts to palpatine cheering the Jedi like he's at a baseball game
dooku obviously knows who he is-the whole thing was staged.
who in the audience doesnt know who palpatine is? excluding the OT, the guy under the hood is clearly Palpatine. why else would this palpatine guy be plastered all over the movies if he was completely innocent?
its painfully obvious who he was, that his cheering was an insult to anyone's intelligence
somebody? anybody?
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COMMANDER76
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8/16/05 11:34pm
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they left it that way for all the kiddies that don't know
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Darth_Fruit_Fly
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8/16/05 11:35pm
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If Palpatine would have revealed himself at THIS juncture, Anakin and Obi-Wan would have killed him. It's as simple as that.
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DUGGY
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8/16/05 11:35pm
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I guess to anybody who has not read the novel, it would appear that Dooku does not know that Palps/Sid's are the same Person.
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-maynard-
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8/16/05 11:36pm
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i hate it! 
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TheCRZA
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8/16/05 11:38pm
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My 7 year old son didn't realize that Sidious and Palpatine were the same person
until Anakin turned. This is the same moment my son realized that OT Darth Vader
was Anakin. It was an awesome moment of discovery to experience with my child.
It was, really, the only way to recreate the ESB surprise of my childhood.
Kudos to GL for crafting the tale that way. It was a fanatastic parent/child
moment.
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-maynard-
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8/16/05 11:39pm
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Darth_Fruit_Fly posted:
If Palpatine would have revealed himself at THIS juncture, Anakin and Obi-Wan would have killed him. It's as simple as that.
he doesnt have to reveal himself. he just doesnt have to cheer like Manny Ramirez just parked one
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-maynard-
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8/16/05 11:44pm
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DUGGY posted:
I guess to anybody who has not read the novel, it would appear that Dooku does not know that Palps/Sid's are the same Person.
ok. but what about when dooku tells obi-wan in AOTC that a dark lord of the sith has control of the republic and hundred of senators on under that lord's influence?
he didnt know who that person was?
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TheCRZA
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8/16/05 11:48pm
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Well, I think Dooku was just playing on Obi Wan's attachment to Qui Gon and
desire to save the Republic. It was the "join me, and together" moment of
AOTC akin to ESB. I think Dooku absolutely knew who and what Palpatine was,
especially since he was not latched to Coruscant and blinded by the darkside
in the manner of the Jedi council.
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darth-sinister
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8/16/05 11:53pm
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Not everyone figured out Palpatine was Sidious. Some foolishly believed that there was a twist. A clone, a twin or genetic freak. Something. But for storytelling purposes, Lucas treats the PT as if it's someone's first time watching the Saga in order. Or for someone who has seen the clues planted and are making the connection. Palpatine must continue with his charade until the time has come, which is does when he reveals himself to Anakin. This sequence is designed to make the audience start to realize, if they haven't already, that Palpatine is not the benevolent figure that he seems to be.
And Dooku does know that Palpatine is Sidious, even without the books to help you. His shocked look is one of betrayal. Not to mention that he never once makes an advance on killing Palpatine, during the duel, would be a huge clue. His whole speech to Obi-wan was a double front. First, to get Obi-wan to join the Sith so that they could grow in rank and file. Second, if that failed, to confuse the Jedi and sow the seeds of their eventual destruction. They'll figure it out sooner or later and come knocking on Palpatine's door. Only he'll be ready for it and will use it to sanction "Order 66." Third, Dooku's unaware that he's setting up his own demise.
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DUGGY
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8/16/05 11:56pm
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-maynard- posted:
DUGGY posted:
I guess to anybody who has not read the novel, it would appear that Dooku does not know that Palps/Sid's are the same Person.
ok. but what about when dooku tells obi-wan in AOTC that a dark lord of the sith has control of the republic and hundred of senators on under that lord's influence?
he didnt know who that person was?
good point,but all he say's is :
OBI-WAN: The truth?
COUNT DOOKU: The truth. What if I told you that the
Republic was now under the control of the Dark Lords of the
Sith?
OBI-WAN: No, that's not possible. The Jedi would be aware
of it.
COUNT DOOKU: The dark side of the Force has clouded their
vision, my friend. Hundreds of Senators are now under the
influence of a Sith Lord called Darth Sidious.
OBI-WAN: I don't believe you.
This does not suggest that he know's Sideous/Palpatine's true identity
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ObiWanIsTheOne
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8/17/05 12:49am
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What are you people talking about? He didn't do the little cheer to confuse the audiance. The Jedi were holding their own against Dooku. He wasn't "faking" anything. He had no further use for Dooku. He wanted Dooku to lose. He was cheering Anakin on.
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Lars_Muul
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8/17/05 1:05am
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This does not suggest that he know's Sideous/Palpatine's true identity
Actually, it does. He basically tells Obi-Wan the whole truth, he just leaves out the words "Supreme", "Chancellor" and "Palpatine".
BTW: It's not obvious to everyone that Palpatine is Sidious. Let it go.
This kind of anger is so unnecessary
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SithOWNtheJedi
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8/17/05 1:16am
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I have tons of friends who arent into star wars have no clue at all that palpatine was sidious
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mandragora
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8/17/05 1:16am
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A lot of people who are not really SW fans but casual viewers weren't aware of the Palps=Sidious identity. Perhaps even the majority of the "normal" viewers weren't aware, I guess. I even know people who call themselves fans and weren't aware until ROTS.
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sithjoe
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I read the book before going to see the movie, and I never got the impression that DT didn't know about Palps being Sids????
Sids was meant to help him if things got out of hand anyway.
As for the pretense, well he needed Anakin to repeat his failure at the Tusken camp, and murder again. Yes, it was a fair fight and all that, but he chose to murder DT.
When the time was right, Yoda away saving Wookies, Jedi council spread far and wide, then Palps played his trump card and 'everything proceeded as I have predicted..."
As far as the movie goes, believe it or not, there were some people who actually didn't know that Palps = Sids.
I for one am glad of this, as it makes ROTS watchable as a stand alone movie to the non-fan, as well as the third chapter in the series for us fans.
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