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BothofUs  4324 posts
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Date Posted: 8/17/05 3:49am Subject: RE: Why does ROTS' opening pretend Palpatine is not Sidious?
What are you people talking about? He didn't do the little cheer to confuse the audiance. The Jedi were holding their own against Dooku. He wasn't "faking" anything. He had no further use for Dooku. He wanted Dooku to lose. He was cheering Anakin on.

I agree. He didn't even want Dooku to win!

 

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3_Foot_Jedi  57 posts
Registered: Jun '05
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Date Posted: 8/17/05 5:05am Subject: RE: Why does ROTS' opening pretend Palpatine is not Sidious?
Also, I've not seen TPM for a while but I seem to remember that at the end when Qui-Gonn's body is burning the camara focuses in on Palpatine while they are dicussing whether or not they had killed the Master or the Apprentice, which is the first time I became aware of it.

 

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i_dont_know  1129 posts
Registered: Aug '05
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Date Posted: 8/17/05 5:20am Subject: RE: Why does ROTS' opening pretend Palpatine is not Sidious?
Sidious acts like a coward because it is what's needed to turn Anakin, and to contrast Return of the Jedi's climax, plain and simple.
I actually thought it was cool how they pretended like we didn't know who Palpitine really was -Lucas knows 90% of people watching realised it already anyway. It's like a comedy, almost. The Opening crawl is also from character POV rather than audience POV, describing Dooku as the Sith Lord, and the situation as a kidnapping.
If you don't agree that there is a ROTJ link at all, read the Revenge of the Sith/Return of The Jedi thread on the Saga forum before you start with the flames drooling

 
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Despised1  9964 posts
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Date Posted: 8/17/05 5:22am Subject: RE: Why does ROTS' opening pretend Palpatine is not Sidious?
I noticed that just last week, it had been a long time since I watched TPM, and it was the first time I noticed it as well, nice foreshadowing by GL.

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What are you people talking about? He didn't do the little cheer to confuse the audiance. The Jedi were holding their own against Dooku. He wasn't "faking" anything. He had no further use for Dooku. He wanted Dooku to lose. He was cheering Anakin on.

I agree. He didn't even want Dooku to win!


I agree as well. It looked to me like he was rooting for the more promising apprentice, Anakin.

 

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Palpy560  3711 posts
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Date Posted: 8/17/05 5:32am Subject: RE: Why does ROTS' opening pretend Palpatine is not Sidious?
I figured out Palpatine was Sidious at the end of Epiosde I when the camera pans to his side after Yoda and Mace talk.
Dooku knew the truth as did Maul.
The only inner-circle bad guys who didn't know were Jango and GG.
And it was probably done for the kids.
Which I can appriciate. It's sort of like a mystery that parents and older kids realize but the little one's do not and so when he reveals himself they are like "coooool!"
(I was too, even though I knew, that was such a nice job by Ian)

 

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Old_Zen  149 posts
Registered: Mar '05
Date Posted: 8/17/05 5:42am Subject: RE: Why does ROTS' opening pretend Palpatine is not Sidious?
Dude, Palpatine has a multi-personality dis-order in which HE can control. He is in his Chancellor mindset during the whole begening, with some of his true self seeping through. Sidious is like God, dude. Grow up and get saved!

 
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Sidious_T  2546 posts
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Date Posted: 8/17/05 5:47am Subject: RE: Why does ROTS' opening pretend Palpatine is not Sidious?
How is it that after the movie, the book, the rumors,some people just don't get it??

 

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Old_Zen  149 posts
Registered: Mar '05
Date Posted: 8/17/05 5:50am Subject: RE: Why does ROTS' opening pretend Palpatine is not Sidious?
Are you reffering to me, Sidios T?

I don't know what you are talking about if you are.

I don't personally like the character of Sidous at all. I love Palpatine but as Sidous I hate him. Hated him since 83. What a cheesy villan. His first scene in ROTJ cracks me up everytime and thats not GOOOD. Ruined ROTJ IMO.


Hahahahahahahaha!

What a joke....

 
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Lord_NoONE  8660 posts
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Date Posted: 8/17/05 6:01am Subject: RE: Why does ROTS' opening pretend Palpatine is not Sidious?
It's all about illusion for the uninitiated. GL just took his time setting up the remainder of the story for the audience. It's also got a lot to do with the internal consistency of the storyline. The characters do not yet know that P=S and therefore the storyteller cannot pretend otherwise.

 
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SlytherinHouse  1835 posts
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Date Posted: 8/17/05 6:14am Subject: RE: Why does ROTS' opening pretend Palpatine is not Sidious?
Palpy560 posted:
I figured out Palpatine was Sidious at the end of Epiosde I when the camera pans to his side after Yoda and Mace talk.


I figured it out in 1997 when they announced that there was a character named Palpatine and he was played by the same man that played Palpatine in 1983. It's not rocket surgery.

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Sidious_T  2546 posts
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Date Posted: 8/17/05 7:25am Subject: RE: Why does ROTS' opening pretend Palpatine is not Sidious?
"Are you reffering to me, Sidios T?

I don't know what you are talking about if you are.

I don't personally like the character of Sidous at all. I love Palpatine but as Sidous I hate him. Hated him since 83. What a cheesy villan. His first scene in ROTJ cracks me up everytime and thats not GOOOD. Ruined ROTJ IMO.


Hahahahahahahaha!

What a joke...."

no not you.

 

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Capell123 
Registered: Aug '05
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Date Posted: 8/17/05 8:44am Subject: RE: Why does ROTS' opening pretend Palpatine is not Sidious?
Rocket Surgery?

 
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SlytherinHouse  1835 posts
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Date Posted: 8/17/05 8:53am Subject: RE: Why does ROTS' opening pretend Palpatine is not Sidious?
Capell123 posted:
Rocket Surgery?


grin

Sly

 

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namnlos  699 posts
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Date Posted: 8/17/05 9:42am Subject: RE: Why does ROTS' opening pretend Palpatine is not Sidious?
Some people thought the cute little kid in TPM was young Luke, so maybe George was playing safe wink

 

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r8hitman  4085 posts
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Date Posted: 8/17/05 9:57am Subject: RE: Why does ROTS' opening pretend Palpatine is not Sidious?
ObiWanIsTheOne posted:
What are you people talking about? He didn't do the little cheer to confuse the audiance. The Jedi were holding their own against Dooku. He wasn't "faking" anything. He had no further use for Dooku. He wanted Dooku to lose. He was cheering Anakin on.


^^I agree with this.

I thought the cheering was for Anakin's benefit. confused

Just like: "good. Use your aggresive feelings, boy." devil

 

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