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Why does ROTS' opening pretend Palpatine is not Sidious?
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BothofUs
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8/17/05 3:49am
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What are you people talking about? He didn't do the little cheer to confuse the audiance. The Jedi were holding their own against Dooku. He wasn't "faking" anything. He had no further use for Dooku. He wanted Dooku to lose. He was cheering Anakin on.
I agree. He didn't even want Dooku to win!
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3_Foot_Jedi
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Also, I've not seen TPM for a while but I seem to remember that at the end when Qui-Gonn's body is burning the camara focuses in on Palpatine while they are dicussing whether or not they had killed the Master or the Apprentice, which is the first time I became aware of it.
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i_dont_know
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Sidious acts like a coward because it is what's needed to turn Anakin, and to contrast Return of the Jedi's climax, plain and simple.
I actually thought it was cool how they pretended like we didn't know who Palpitine really was -Lucas knows 90% of people watching realised it already anyway. It's like a comedy, almost. The Opening crawl is also from character POV rather than audience POV, describing Dooku as the Sith Lord, and the situation as a kidnapping.
If you don't agree that there is a ROTJ link at all, read the Revenge of the Sith/Return of The Jedi thread on the Saga forum before you start with the flames 
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Despised1
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I noticed that just last week, it had been a long time since I watched TPM, and it was the first time I noticed it as well, nice foreshadowing by GL.
BothofUs posted:
What are you people talking about? He didn't do the little cheer to confuse the audiance. The Jedi were holding their own against Dooku. He wasn't "faking" anything. He had no further use for Dooku. He wanted Dooku to lose. He was cheering Anakin on.
I agree. He didn't even want Dooku to win!
I agree as well. It looked to me like he was rooting for the more promising apprentice, Anakin.
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Palpy560
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I figured out Palpatine was Sidious at the end of Epiosde I when the camera pans to his side after Yoda and Mace talk.
Dooku knew the truth as did Maul.
The only inner-circle bad guys who didn't know were Jango and GG.
And it was probably done for the kids.
Which I can appriciate. It's sort of like a mystery that parents and older kids realize but the little one's do not and so when he reveals himself they are like "coooool!"
(I was too, even though I knew, that was such a nice job by Ian)
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Old_Zen
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Dude, Palpatine has a multi-personality dis-order in which HE can control. He is in his Chancellor mindset during the whole begening, with some of his true self seeping through. Sidious is like God, dude. Grow up and get saved!
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Sidious_T
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How is it that after the movie, the book, the rumors,some people just don't get it??
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Old_Zen
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Are you reffering to me, Sidios T?
I don't know what you are talking about if you are.
I don't personally like the character of Sidous at all. I love Palpatine but as Sidous I hate him. Hated him since 83. What a cheesy villan. His first scene in ROTJ cracks me up everytime and thats not GOOOD. Ruined ROTJ IMO.
Hahahahahahahaha!
What a joke....
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Lord_NoONE
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It's all about illusion for the uninitiated. GL just took his time setting up the remainder of the story for the audience. It's also got a lot to do with the internal consistency of the storyline. The characters do not yet know that P=S and therefore the storyteller cannot pretend otherwise.
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SlytherinHouse
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Palpy560 posted:
I figured out Palpatine was Sidious at the end of Epiosde I when the camera pans to his side after Yoda and Mace talk.
I figured it out in 1997 when they announced that there was a character named Palpatine and he was played by the same man that played Palpatine in 1983. It's not rocket surgery.
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"Are you reffering to me, Sidios T?
I don't know what you are talking about if you are.
I don't personally like the character of Sidous at all. I love Palpatine but as Sidous I hate him. Hated him since 83. What a cheesy villan. His first scene in ROTJ cracks me up everytime and thats not GOOOD. Ruined ROTJ IMO.
Hahahahahahahaha!
What a joke...."
no not you.
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Capell123
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Rocket Surgery?
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SlytherinHouse
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Capell123 posted:
Rocket Surgery?
Sly
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namnlos
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Some people thought the cute little kid in TPM was young Luke, so maybe George was playing safe 
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r8hitman
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ObiWanIsTheOne posted:
What are you people talking about? He didn't do the little cheer to confuse the audiance. The Jedi were holding their own against Dooku. He wasn't "faking" anything. He had no further use for Dooku. He wanted Dooku to lose. He was cheering Anakin on.
^^I agree with this.
I thought the cheering was for Anakin's benefit. 
Just like: "good. Use your aggresive feelings, boy."
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