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mynameismyown Registered: Jun '05	Date Posted: 8/18/05 1:43am Subject: RE: Why does ROTS' opening pretend Palpatine is not Sidious?
	sidious is a great actor thats why many posters thought that palpatine was a clone of sidious
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mandragora Registered: May '05	Date Posted: 8/18/05 1:54am Subject: RE: Why does ROTS' opening pretend Palpatine is not Sidious?
	darth-sinister posted: Some people didn't make the connection of the Emperor to Palpatine. The reason being is that in the OT, he is never called Palpatine or Sidious. And not everyone knew who Ian McDiarmid was. Some still don't. Also, there were people who thought that Ian really was an old guy, with some makeup enhancements. They didn't know that he was only 39 in 1982. In TPM, they made the connection of Sidious to the Emperor. But not to Palpatine. Some missed the clues that were staring them in the face. A few got it in AOTC, but still not many did. Exactly. I think apart from keeping the knowledge of spectators separate from what the characters know (which imo oftentimes doesn't seem to work) we have to distinguish what people posting in SW forums know and what the average spectator knows. The great majority of the people going to theatres to see these films are NOT surfing the internet for information, are NOT reading the novels or other stuff, and are NOT discussing the movies for hours. So a lot of them didn't know the Emperor's name in the OT was Palpatine. A lot of them haven't even seen all of the movies. Goodness, they even dubbed Ian with two different voices for Palps and Sidious in TPM and AOTC in Germany! For people without much background information it wasn't that obvious at all that Sidious was Palpatine. -----signature----- “Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you.” —Friedrich Nietzsche
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brook_33 Registered: Dec '03	Date Posted: 1/30/06 1:24pm Subject: RE: Why does ROTS' opening pretend Palpatine is not Sidious?
	There's no surprise if they just say it. It has to be a big revelation. Besides, the audience is for the most part having the story told to them through the Jedi's eyes. -----signature----- I'm one of those Fan Filmers that writes a ton of amazing scripts and never films them
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Master_EdgeCrusher Registered: Dec '05	Date Posted: 1/30/06 1:32pm Subject: RE: Why does ROTS' opening pretend Palpatine is not Sidious?
	they all have to figure by then that the chin and nose has got to give it away! -----signature----- ripped away from the dreadfull dark side, with the darklust still in my head, www.myspace.com/ifbutforone "THROUGH THE STORM is being released"
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TheDarkSideAreThey Registered: Sep '04	Date Posted: 1/30/06 1:40pm Subject: RE: Why does ROTS' opening pretend Palpatine is not Sidious?
	It's only for those who have yet to make the connection (all 3 of them). Even in the OT, Palpatine is always referred to as "The Emperor", so someone could believe that Sidious and Palpatine are two different people. -----signature----- “Two there should be, no more, no less. One to embody power, the other to crave it.” - Darth Bane
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Chancellor_Ewok Registered: Nov '04	Date Posted: 1/30/06 7:39pm Subject: RE: Why does ROTS' opening pretend Palpatine is not Sidious?
	COMMANDER76 posted: they left it that way for all the kiddies that don't know Exactly. The big twist of the PT is that revealation that Palpatine=Sidious. -----signature----- http://tlongpublications.wordpress.com/ http://tlongportfolio.wordpress.com/ http://thestarsailors.wordpress.com/
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Darth_Kermit Registered: Apr '03	Date Posted: 1/30/06 9:05pm Subject: RE: Why does ROTS' opening pretend Palpatine is not Sidious?
	I thought the cheering was for Dooku. Doesn't it happen when Obi-wan gets kicked in the head? I remember reading something about it implying that he and Dooku talked about killing Obi-wan to make it easier to turn Anakin?
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mjerome3 Registered: May '00	Date Posted: 1/30/06 9:58pm Subject: RE: Why does ROTS' opening pretend Palpatine is not Sidious?
	It was the perfect way to cover up the kidnapping. I remember reading Labyrinth of Evil and the Jedi were very close to nabbing Sidious so the Sith caused the diversion with Palpatine being kidnapped to take the attention away from Sidious. I think it was done to make people believe that they were still two different characters, no matter what others thought about it. To me it was great story telling! -----signature----- May the Force be with you- Luke Skywalker May the Force be with you- Han Solo May the Force be with you- Qui-Gon Jinn May the Force be with you- Anakin Skywalker The Force will be with you...always- Obi-Wan Kenobi
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darth-sinister Title: Manager Emeritus Registered: Jun '01	Date Posted: 1/30/06 11:34pm Subject: RE: Why does ROTS' opening pretend Palpatine is not Sidious?
	The point was to make it ambigious, but the epicenter appears to be Palpatine. We're supposed to start to see it more outright than in TPM and AOTC. -----signature----- Stewie: "Oh, this is an even bigger jackpot than when the Emperor came up with the formula for great Star Wars dialouge." Palpatine: "Something, something, something. Dark side. Something, something, something complete."
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Grey1 Registered: Nov '00	Date Posted: 2/1/06 2:47am Subject: RE: Why does ROTS' opening pretend Palpatine is not Sidious?
	mandragora posted: Goodness, they even dubbed Ian with two different voices for Palps and Sidious in TPM and AOTC in Germany! Actually, they managed to get it right in AOTC. I don't know how, though - maybe they thought nobody would notice "the wrong voice" as Sidious had only one scene I had no problem with Palpatine acting like he was on the Jedi's side. Ep1 and Ep2 would have been for nothing if Lucas hadn't continued on his "pretend no-one knows"-course. The movies could have worked in a different way (with Palpatine's point of view clearly shown in his scenes), but as the story is about deception and treachery (the whole Clone Wars are a setup to take control), this way it makes more sense. It could have worked if Palpatine had formed an open dictatorship, doing evil things all the time. The Jedi would have been more like the rebels from the OT, some non-official caste devoted to good causes and trying to help the oppressed people from the outside, with Anakin being an ambigious character finally convinced by Palpatine that it's better to join his side. You know, like in fantasy - a party of adventurers has to take down the evil wizard/king ruling the country, only that one of them finally betrays them. -----signature----- Jacen had learned that one can meet the Universe [...] with fear, or with hatred, or with despair. Or one can choose to meet it with love. Jacen had chosen. But still, he was astonished to discover that the Universe could love him back.
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mastersith69 Registered: Mar '05	Date Posted: 2/1/06 9:22am Subject: RE: Why does ROTS' opening pretend Palpatine is not Sidious?
	i thought it was obvious in aotc by his makeup mess up becasue he even looked like the emperor, the main ticker was the opening scene in the second trailer when he was talking and that solidified to the nation to go "hey he is the emperor". had they not done that big give away then the reveal might of been more of a shock to us. but in the opening of the movie it was obvious it was setup because just look how calm he was the whole time and you would think he would be happy to see the jedi and get rescued by the jedi. also in the labryinth of evil sidious had the plan to be kidnapped from coruscant because grevious and dooku even said they needed a way to get him away form the planet undetected and even yoda felt when sidious was off the planet which happened to be when palpatine was kidnapped.
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darth-sinister Title: Manager Emeritus Registered: Jun '01	Date Posted: 2/1/06 11:28am Subject: RE: Why does ROTS' opening pretend Palpatine is not Sidious?
	It wasn't meant to be a big twist for us. It's meant more for the people who watch from I to VI. They start to suspect that Palpatine's not entirely good. Palpatine's cheer was for Dooku to kill Obi-wan, so that Anakin could kill Dooku. Unfortunately, Dooku botched the job in killing Obi-wan. Well, fortunately for the galaxy he botched it. Unfortunately for Palpatine, Obi-wan lived to mess up Anakin. -----signature----- Stewie: "Oh, this is an even bigger jackpot than when the Emperor came up with the formula for great Star Wars dialouge." Palpatine: "Something, something, something. Dark side. Something, something, something complete."
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Wrongway Registered: May '05	Date Posted: 2/1/06 12:03pm Subject: RE: Why does ROTS' opening pretend Palpatine is not Sidious?
	I was under the impression that Palps little "cheer" during the opening duel, looked like Palps was warning Dooku that Obi-Wan was coming up behind him. Immediately after you see him cheer, it cuts to the duel and you see Dooku turn around and force choke Obi. I say this because, before he cheers, you see Obi tear apart those two droids, then it cuts to Palps, then the force choke. There's no implication that he was cheering for Anakin. So, IMO, it was either a fake cheer for Obi or a warning for Dooku. Palps whole plan was to eventually get Ani and Dooku alone so Ani would commit murder. So helping Dooku in the beginning would still benefit in Palps overall plan. Wrongway -----signature----- First I think of the stupidest thing....then I go with it.
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TheCRZA Registered: May '05	Date Posted: 2/3/06 8:55pm Subject: RE: Why does ROTS' opening pretend Palpatine is not Sidious?
	My son - who was 6 at the time - didn't see it coming. It was a nice moment of discovery sharing that revelation with him at the theater. I thought it was also a nice teaser for us know-it-alls who've wondered if maybe he would end up not being Sidious. If he was a clone, etc etc... There is a built in suspense where we wonder... when does he Sith out? -----signature----- "When I give food to the poor, I am a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, I am a communist." -Hélder Câmara
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bongoskywalker Registered: Nov '05	Date Posted: 2/4/06 1:25pm Subject: RE: Why does ROTS' opening pretend Palpatine is not Sidious?
	Darth Sinister posted "Some people didn't make the connection of the Emperor to Palpatine. The reason being is that in the OT, he is never called Palpatine or Sidious" And yet i have always known that the Emperors name is Palpatine. Was the name used for promotional / merchandising purposes in the OT era? The only EU i have ever read is the Marvel UK comics of that time. And the the back of the cards contained with action figures. Around 1983. I watched all of the prequels completely spoiler free - even trailers! When i went to see TPM, as soon as i heard the name - i new the score. Er.. i aint really got a point here, except having read this thread im curious as to how i might have known this! -----signature----- "He told me enough, he told me you killed him"....."No, he's a liar liar pants on fire"
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