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Why did Yoda & Obi-Wan go into hiding?
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_Sublime_Skywalker_
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9/3/05 8:47pm
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They knew that they neither of them could defeat The Emporer, or Anakin, because Anakin needed to destroy The Emporer for the prophecy to come true.
Besides, two Jedi against the entire Empire?No matter what they would be doomed if they revealed themselves.
They just had to have patience and let the force do its will.
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yoshifett
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9/3/05 8:50pm
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_Sublime_Skywalker_ posted:
They knew that they neither of them could defeat The Emporer, or Anakin, because Anakin needed to destroy The Emporer for the prophecy to come true.
Besides, two Jedi against the entire Empire?No matter what they would be doomed if they revealed themselves.
They just had to have patience and let the force do its will.
Well, you're half right at least. I think that the Yoda and Obi-Wan were highly skeptical that the prophecy had been correctly interpreted or that Anakin was really the chosen one.
There's tons of dialogue to back this up. Misread the prophecy may be. All that stuff about how Luke has to kill his father. "Then the Emperor has already won." Plus the fact that he went to the dark side probably gave them some doubts about Anakin/Vader being the chosen one.
But, you're right, they knew they couldn't take on the whole Empire.
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-maynard-
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yup. it was time for the jedi to hide and lie in wait
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thechozn1
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The entire jedi order couldn't do anything with Sids, and you think the 2 of them left should have gone after him? He now had an entire clone army at his disposal that Yoda just barely got away from after their fight. They listened to what the force told them to do. If they went after the sith and failed, there wouldn't have been any outs.
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RevantheJediMaster
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If they didn't hide and lie low they would have been hunted and probably killed by the Empire.
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yoshifett
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Yep, this thread's pretty much wrapped up.
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darth-sinister
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9/3/05 10:22pm
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Yoda knows that he cannot beat Palpatine. He's too strong and the Force is with him too much. Yoda's only hope was to escape and go into exile. And no, the Stormtroopers didn't enter the Senate until after the fight was over. Not before hand. After Yoda ran off, Palpatine activated a comlink and called for a red alert to find the rogue Jedi Master.
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Iter
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9/4/05 1:59am
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Yoda could not go with Luke to Bespin, because there was a chance that Luke could turn to the darkside and Yoda would have to deal with more than he could handle. Plus, he was the last living Jedi Master, and had Luke perished, he would have to start anew... Remember: 'That boy is our last hope..' 'No, there is another..'..
But here's a question: Why did the two Jedi wait so long to begin training Luke and/or Leia? Why neglect Jedi tradition and allow them to age so much... Anakin went against this tradition, and look how he turned out? Why would they risk their only 'hope(s)' so much? Of course, at first it might've been necessary for the two to lie in wait, to make sure the twins did not get caught if they were, but why were they not taken into the Jedi's custodies for training at a much earlier age?
My possible answers? They realized that perhaps the Jedi Order was wrong in taking infants to be trained, wrong in denying individuals any real choice in accepting the Jedi way. Another, perhaps easier answer? They relied on the Force, relied on the twins to come to them--which Luke did, 20 years later. But is it that simple?
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Darthdias
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9/4/05 5:26am
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Also, remember that the Emperor was able to sense Luke's presence very quickly in ESB, even though he only had minor training at that point.
Had they been trained from birth, they would have been sensed and hunted down as children, with no way to defend themselves against the sith.
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Lyvia
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9/4/05 9:03am
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Yoda could have beat Palps if he had continued on the fight. He gave up and just walked away. Now because he did that I understand why he and Obi went into hiding; any surviving jedi were fugitives and the empire was going to kill them all. Yoda*Obi couldnt possibly have survived all those years if the empire knew where to find them; and because Yoda let Palps live its quite possible that both he and Obi couldnt have fought back again and survived.
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Vaeron
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Lyvia posted:
Yoda could have beat Palps if he had continued on the fight. He gave up and just walked away. Now because he did that I understand why he and Obi went into hiding; any surviving jedi were fugitives and the empire was going to kill them all. Yoda*Obi couldnt possibly have survived all those years if the empire knew where to find them; and because Yoda let Palps live its quite possible that both he and Obi couldnt have fought back again and survived.
If this is true, then Yoda is a coward. He COULDA killed Sidious but he didn't want to. So everything that happened, the destruction of Alderaan, the oppression of the galaxy, is all Yoda's fault cuz he just didn't FEEL like fighting Sidious again?
I don't buy it. Not even for a moment.
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darth-sinister
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9/4/05 10:49am
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Yoda knew he couldn't beat Sidious. It would be suicide to continue and he knew it. That's why he left. Remember the words of Obi-wan to Han in ANH.
Ben: "You can't win, but there are alternitives to fighting."
The alternitive was to leave Courscant and go into exile. While on Polis Massa, Obi-wan communed with Qui-gon who made it clear that all hope was not lost. That the time would come. With the birth of the Skywalker twins, Yoda and Obi-wan knew that they had their plan. It was time to trust the Force to give them the answers. They waited not because the Empire could find them, but because the Force wanted them to wait. To let the children come to them, rather than begin the training from the outset. As Yoda explained in the novelization, Jedi training should not be the sole source of discipline. They must be allowed to be raised in a family enviroment. It is the one sure way of avoiding a repeat performence.
As we see, this was a wise decision in the long run. Yes, some bad things happened in between, but these things wound up being beneficial. The general public began to see through the shroud of the Dark Side and joined the Alliance in it's struggle to restore freedom to the galaxy.
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Iter
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I don't think it's that simple... Yoda maybe an alien, but he's a human character. For 800 years, his life has the Jedi Order and training Jedi--to have that entirely wiped away, and when it was basically his responsibility, being on the Jedi Council, his lack of foresight that let the Republic fall into ruin, the war to claim so many lives, and the Jedi to be murdered, it must be a devastation we can only try to imagine... He must have doubts and fears, and if he was not beat by Palpatine, it is likeley to he was beat by those forces.
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Jedimaster367
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12/11/05 12:42pm
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to keep an eye on whats going on and to keep an eye on luke.
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Newone
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12/11/05 12:44pm
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because they needed to make that they would survive to train luke to face vader and the emperor.if either they or the babies were killed all would be lost.IMO they went into hiding for the same reasons than the babies were hidden so the sith would not feel their presence
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