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mjerome3  10236 posts
Registered: May '00
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Date Posted: 10/4/05 11:11pm Subject: How long was Obi-Wan listening?
I don't know if this has been discussed before, but if it is direct me to the thread.

On Mustafar when Padme rejoined Anakin, and was totally unaware that Obi-Wan had hitched a ride to Mustafar in her ship, how long was he standing there listening to them talk? Do you think he heard everything Anakin said, about the Jedi turning against him, about them ruling the galaxy, about him being more powerful than the Chancellor, about Obi-Wan trying to turn Padme against him, about his new powers being the only thing that could save Padme,etc.

We know Obi-Wan couldn't have heard everything or did he?

 

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darth-sinister  43577 posts
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Date Posted: 10/4/05 11:12pm Subject: RE: How long was Obi-Wan listening?
Long enough. Probably gave her two minutes to get out of the ship, after they landed.

 

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Skywalk272  4043 posts
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Date Posted: 10/4/05 11:14pm Subject: RE: How long was Obi-Wan listening?
I think part of the point was is that he may have showed himself too early even. Anakin was still battaling with his emotions over Padme until he saw Obi Wan, and then his anger took control.

 

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George_Doofus  159 posts
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Date Posted: 10/4/05 11:21pm Subject: RE: How long was Obi-Wan listening?
Yes, why wasn't this addressed in the movie? Another gaping plot-hole courtesy of George.

 

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-maynard-  968 posts
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Date Posted: 10/4/05 11:26pm Subject: RE: How long was Obi-Wan listening?
Skywalk272 posted:
I think part of the point was is that he may have showed himself too early even. Anakin was still battaling with his emotions over Padme until he saw Obi Wan, and then his anger took control.


hmmm...good point. do you think it would have better if we didnt see him get on the ship and only knew he was there when he told anakin to let her go?

 

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mjerome3  10236 posts
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Date Posted: 10/4/05 11:27pm Subject: RE: How long was Obi-Wan listening?
I don't think it was a plot hole at all. We are viewing the scene out of Anakin's eyes, because we don't know Obi-Wan is there until Anakin finds out.

 

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DUGGY  3646 posts
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Date Posted: 10/4/05 11:28pm Subject: RE: How long was Obi-Wan listening?
Nah, he showed himself at the right time. Padme was not getting anywhere with Anakin. he did'nt want to hear about ObiWan.they turned on him. wink he was past that.

 

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i_dont_know  1129 posts
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Date Posted: 10/4/05 11:50pm Subject: RE: How long was Obi-Wan listening?
DUGGY posted:
Nah, he showed himself at the right time. Padme was not getting anywhere with Anakin. he did'nt want to hear about ObiWan.they turned on him. wink he was past that.


I have to disagree here, I don't think we will ever know if Padme was getting through, because Obi-Wan appeared while she was still talking.

Padme:
"You're going down a path I can't follow."
Anakin:
"Because of Obi-Wan?"
Padme:
"Because of what you've done. What you plan to do!"
*Anakin sees Obi-Wan standing at the ship entrance. Anakin looks pissed.*
Padme continues, unaware:
"Stop! Stop now, come back... I love you!"
Anakin:
"Liar!"

She wouldn't have been able to convince him that the Jedi were good, but I think there was still hope that he would leave with her if Obi-Wan had never appeared.

 
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SithOWNtheJedi  544 posts
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Date Posted: 10/5/05 12:13am Subject: RE: How long was Obi-Wan listening?
i_dont_know posted:


She wouldn't have been able to convince him that the Jedi were good, but I think there was still hope that he would leave with her if Obi-Wan had never appeared.



I agree, Anakin wouldnt gotten angry and called her a liar if he didnt see ObiWan. Sure Padme wasnt getting anywhere but ObiWan showing up made things alot worse then they were previously

 
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Registered: Apr '05
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Date Posted: 10/5/05 12:28am Subject: RE: How long was Obi-Wan listening?
Especially the way he had that whole Superman pose going....

 

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mjerome3  10236 posts
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Date Posted: 10/5/05 1:18am Subject: RE: How long was Obi-Wan listening?
Yes, in that pose, there was something in Kenobi's body language. It looked confrontational, in fact, which only caused Anakin to become even angrier. Obi-Wan wasn't just standing there looking calm. He was there to kill Skywalker and Anakin interpreted as such.

But getting back to the topic. The dialouge between Senator Amidala and Anakin didn't last that long so I think either Obi-Wan came from out of the compartment after he heard Padme walk by him, or once he knew she was off the ship he headed towards the cockpit to get a view then went to the boarding ramp to focus on them.

 

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joshuavance  992 posts
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Date Posted: 10/5/05 2:17am Subject: RE: How long was Obi-Wan listening?
The Superman pose was splendid. I busted out laughing when I first saw it. Obi-Wan was the new sheriff in town, he had that "Alright son, daddys here to take you to the woodshed, you've been naughty" look.

Anakin acted completely scorned like a child caught with his hand in the jar. Damn that movie is good.

 

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jedisooner1  298 posts
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Date Posted: 10/5/05 2:24am Subject: RE: How long was Obi-Wan listening?
How long was Obi-wan listening?

Answer: 1.21 Gigowatts

"What the heck is a gigowatt."





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Padawan92  2404 posts
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Date Posted: 10/5/05 4:55am Subject: RE: How long was Obi-Wan listening?
I think Obi-wan might have just appeared when Anakin saw him...I mean Anakin was facing the ship so out of the corner of his eye he should have been Obi-wan when he came out...at least I think so.

 

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Obi_Frans  3492 posts
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Date Posted: 10/5/05 5:52am Subject: RE: How long was Obi-Wan listening?
i_dont_know posted:
She wouldn't have been able to convince him that the Jedi were good, but I think there was still hope that he would leave with her if Obi-Wan had never appeared.


"Love won't save you Padme, only my new powers can"

Anakin was far too gone to ever come with Padme; and Padme was far too pure to ever allow such an Anakin to come with her and her child. Nor would she take a man who couldn't see what was wrong with slaughtering innocent Younglings and Jedi; and who had aspirations to rule the galaxy.

They WERE going nowhere.

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Lord_NoONE  8660 posts
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Date Posted: 10/5/05 5:58am Subject: RE: How long was Obi-Wan listening?
Long enough to realize that his apprentice was truly treading on thin ice and that he was likely a goner to the darkside.

 
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