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Would Padme have died if Obi-Wan hadn't snuck on board her ship?
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sithrules70
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10/20/05 4:47pm
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rhonderoo posted:
RolandofGilead posted:
EwokThatCried posted:
Maybe Obi-Wan respected Padme and thought maybe she would have more sway over Anakin to reason with him, but as soon as he saw Anakin was having none of it, he entered the picture. He heard Padme withdraw from Anakin, exclaim that Obi-Wan was right, and he came to deal with it.
That's the truth of it. Obi-wan stepped in when it became clear that Padme was not going to sway Anakin. Why must everyone be to blame in this situation but Anakin? When does he take responsibility for his own actions and decisions?
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I'd say two times for sure.
When he says "Nooooo" at the end of the movie and begins to hate Anakin Skywalker and when he chucks the Emperor down the shaft and saves the galaxy.
No one hates Anakin Skywalker more than Darth Vader, people. Star Wars 101. Take the class. 
rhonderoo and his/her wisdom(wich one is it ) saved the day ,again !! 
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2Cleva
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rhonderoo - If Vader was truly taking responsibility when he said "Nooo" he would have repented from his evil ways. Instead, he embraced them even more. That's not taking responsibility. You were only half right, he only takes responsibility at the end of ROTJ. At the end of ROTS he is the exact opposite of the pendulum.
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“One of the problems of Sith is that they are always quick to anger. This scene with her it was very important that we set it up to the point where he chokes her as he does with one of the generals in ANH. But at the same time he doesn’t kill her and he just causes her to faint but you get to see that flash of anger which he now doesn’t have much control over” - GL
“The whole point in a Jedi is that you can completely control your anger and now he’s at a point where he cant control it at all and its because of his need for his control for power and he gets very upset when he cant have it” - G
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Master_Shaitan
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Anakin knows he is doing the wrong thing but he cant control his actions or his anger. He loses it and then tries to pass the buck and rationalise his actions. But he knews he is wrong. but he is on the path, he doesnt want to be on it, but he knows he cant get off, so he goes along with it.
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sithrules70
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2Cleva posted:
rhonderoo - If Vader was truly taking responsibility when he said "Nooo" he would have repented from his evil ways. Instead, he embraced them even more. That's not taking responsibility. You were only half right, he only takes responsibility at the end of ROTJ. At the end of ROTS he is the exact opposite of the pendulum.
but after she died he had nothing to live for but power and his new empire.why would he repent if she was dead already ??
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sithrules70
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sithrules70 posted:
2Cleva posted:
rhonderoo - If Vader was truly taking responsibility when he said "Nooo" he would have repented from his evil ways. Instead, he embraced them even more. That's not taking responsibility. You were only half right, he only takes responsibility at the end of ROTJ. At the end of ROTS he is the exact opposite of the pendulum.
but after she died he had nothing to live for but power and his new empire.why would he repent if she was dead already ??
 now that i see my post it doesnt make any sense i'll make it right.
the first part is right after padme's death no way he simply was gonna leave the empire and the power,why would he ?? he had 2 reasons to live:his wife and his empire,with his wife out of the equation he only has the empire to live for.
the death of a loved one doesnt make a sith sad or repent for his act,the death of a loved one makes a sith angry.
you really think that a sith lord is gonna let go of his hate after his wife died ???!??! of course not,he only becomes even more evil than before.
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DarthSapient
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Padme may not have died right then and there. But Anakin could not change the course of his destiny because he had already started down the dark path. He was destined to confront Obi-Wan. And because Padme and Anakin are in symbionce, the result of the duel would be the same and she would die along with him.
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Padmae_Skywalker
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in the movie novel of ROTS Obi-Wan tries to get Padme to medical center earliar before the battle. Anakin tells point blank to keep away from his wife. Obi-Wan tells Padme will die if they down attend her quickly. Anakin advoids pleds and tells him to step a side from Padme...thats all i can recall right now 
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Icestar63
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Padme did not die because Obi-wan snuck on her ship, She died because of what Anakin had become.
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Veloz
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I believe Padme was going to die anyways. I dont think she could have turned Anakin from the darkside.. so imo Vader was going to hurt her anyways, cause she was NEVER gonna go along with his plan or his ideas to take over the empire, and he just wasnt going to let her walk away either.
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I think Anakin would let Padme walk away because he would not risk harming his unborn child that is still inside her. That's why Anakin shouted "NOOOOOOOOOO" when Sidious tricked him into thinking he killed her.
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Anakin wouldn't let Padme walk away. He'd force her to stay, because his mind is like that of a child, when he gets angry. He was getting angry at the fact that she was turning against him, before Obi-wan walked out and made his presence known.
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While I do think that Padme and Obi-Wan could have both handled things better, it all comes down to Anakin. It was Anakin's decisions that lead to the situation and it was Anakin who became enraged and choked Padme. No matter what mistakes Obi-Wan or Padme may have made, it was Anakin who gave into his rage, and it was Anakin who destroyed the person he was trying to protect.
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Dezdmona
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PMT99 posted:
I think Anakin would let Padme walk away because he would not risk harming his unborn child that is still inside her. That's why Anakin shouted "NOOOOOOOOOO" when Sidious tricked him into thinking he killed her.
He would never have let her walk away. It was all about power and control. His was an obsessive/posessive love.
The children were a secondary concern. He did not see their fate.
It was only Padmé who expressed concern over the baby when Anakin had his vision.
She never stated any fear over his vision for herself, telling him that all she needed was his love.
Anakin only confirmed what Obi-Wan had told her when she confronted him on Mustafar.
He didn't love her and much as he loved power.
It was Anakin's greed & lust for power that broke Padmé's heart.
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