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EwokThatCried  4075 posts
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Date Posted: 10/20/05 4:48pm Subject: RE: DVD Commentary Rolling Report *May Contain Spoilers*
That puts a nail in the Sifo-Dyas fiasco. Tyranus did it. Voila.

 

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RolandofGilead  28205 posts
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Date Posted: 10/20/05 4:50pm Subject: RE: DVD Commentary Rolling Report *May Contain Spoilers*
EwokThatCried posted:
That puts a nail in the Sifo-Dyas fiasco. Tyranus did it. Voila.


Those who actually watched AotC already knew this.

 

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EwokThatCried  4075 posts
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Date Posted: 10/20/05 4:52pm Subject: RE: DVD Commentary Rolling Report *May Contain Spoilers*
RolandofGilead posted:
EwokThatCried posted:
That puts a nail in the Sifo-Dyas fiasco. Tyranus did it. Voila.


Those who actually watched AotC already knew this.


laugh

I know, it's time to call that thread back up (just kidding) - I remember spending hours in there breaking it all down and leading them to the Tyranus clue, but I could never seal it. They were all holding out for Lucas. Now we have it.

 

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HookLineAndSinker  16776 posts
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Date Posted: 10/20/05 4:53pm Subject: RE: DVD Commentary Rolling Report *May Contain Spoilers*
Yeah the Tyranus thing was pretty easy to figure out. As was Tyranus eventually being killed by Anakin in my opinion. wink

 

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Master_Shaitan  5724 posts
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Date Posted: 10/20/05 4:53pm Subject: RE: DVD Commentary Rolling Report *May Contain Spoilers*

RM - Order 6. Turning point of the movie. Almost perfect. Final conclusions.

Felucia - one of Lucas’ favourite planets

Lots of effects discussions over Order 66. Shame that!

Lucas loves the wookiees flying around in their machines.

Coleman talks about Yoda being picked up by Chewie. Interaction with fur. Used a bag or corn for Yoda.


“The thing with the kids is necessary to establish how far down the road he’d come (Anakin) to do something that, this brutal and barbaric and it had to be in there but I definitely didn’t want to show it. It was really in the editorial process that the idea of inter-cutting her (Padme) with him when he’s at his very worst with her worrying about him. That juxtaposition works quite well cos’ it reflects as much on the slaughter of the children as it does on her concerns about him even though she doesn’t know the children have been slaughtered. There is a strong emotional connection when those sequences are pushed up against each other” - GL

 
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sithrules70  4618 posts
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Date Posted: 10/20/05 4:53pm Subject: RE: DVD Commentary Rolling Report *May Contain Spoilers*
RolandofGilead posted:
EwokThatCried posted:
That puts a nail in the Sifo-Dyas fiasco. Tyranus did it. Voila.


Those who actually watched AotC already knew this.


i definitely watched AOTC and i didnt know this for sure,i only had my guesses to support me

 
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Get_in_Gear  5101 posts
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Date Posted: 10/20/05 4:55pm Subject: RE: DVD Commentary Rolling Report *May Contain Spoilers*
Lucas seems to me to imply that the scene in the Council Chamber is all Anakin's internal conflict.
Anakin is just going through the situation in his mind - no mention of Palpatine speaking to Anakin through the Force.

 

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Get_in_Gear  5101 posts
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Date Posted: 10/20/05 4:57pm Subject: RE: DVD Commentary Rolling Report *May Contain Spoilers*
RE Mace thing

IMHO, Lucas is DEFINITELY saying that Ankin killing Mace was the right thing to do IN ESSENCE - because Anakin DIDN'T KNOW PALPATINE WAS GOING TO KILL HIM.

 

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Master_Shaitan  5724 posts
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Date Posted: 10/20/05 4:57pm Subject: RE: DVD Commentary Rolling Report *May Contain Spoilers*
Shame he didnt mention that though Gig, dont you think?? Just to say what it was...

I still say its palpatine as we know he is trying to get Anakin on side and reaffirm the fears he has.

IMHO, Lucas is DEFINITELY saying that Ankin killing Mace was the right thing to do IN ESSENCE - because Anakin DIDN'T KNOW PALPATINE WAS GOING TO KILL HIM.

But had mace not gone in for the kill Anakin would have helped him - which was the right thing.

Mace makes the wrong move.

 
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EwokThatCried  4075 posts
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Date Posted: 10/20/05 4:58pm Subject: RE: DVD Commentary Rolling Report *May Contain Spoilers*
Get_in_Gear posted:
RE Mace thing

IMHO, Lucas is DEFINITELY saying that Ankin killing Mace was the right thing to do IN ESSENCE - because Anakin DIDN'T KNOW PALPATINE WAS GOING TO KILL HIM.


So he is speaking from Anakin's point of view.

 

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Master_Shaitan  5724 posts
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Date Posted: 10/20/05 4:59pm Subject: RE: DVD Commentary Rolling Report *May Contain Spoilers*
Talk about Jett. - GL

Art to doing wipes - GL (that’s a bit graphic George! - humour me guys!)

Yoda goodbye scene is to give recognition to Chewie and give them a scene rather than battles. Go off and get jobs like working for smugglers!

Scenes after Padme and Anakin meet after temple attack moves very quickly. Likes the scene as he is lying to her but rationalising what he is saying. Lying to himself. He knows he’s wrong but wont admit it. Padme could never live with him now - GL

 
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Get_in_Gear  5101 posts
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Date Posted: 10/20/05 5:01pm Subject: RE: DVD Commentary Rolling Report *May Contain Spoilers*
Master_Shaitan posted:
Shame he didnt mention that though Gig, dont you think?? Just to say what it was...

I still say its palpatine as we know he is trying to get Anakin on side and reaffirm the fears he has.


Well, it seems pretty clear to me.
The dialogue is just put in there to remind us of the situation - it's a filmic thing, not a literal thing - just like the Tusken heard on the Invisible Hand.
Some things are done for effect, not because they are diagetic - it's basic film theory.

If you want to believe it is Palpatine speaking to Ani, that's fair enough - it doesn't really change much, because Anakin's reasons for leaving that chamber remain the same.
But the way that scene is shot suggests it is an internal thing to me, and Lucas certainly implies as much on the commentary.

 

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obi1andreasen79  2200 posts
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Date Posted: 10/20/05 5:01pm Subject: RE: DVD Commentary Rolling Report *May Contain Spoilers*
EwokThatCried posted:
HE WAS TRYING TO STOP MACE FROM KILLING PALPATINE WHICH IN ESSENCE WAS THE RIGHT THING TO DO! - GL
(So mace did do the wrong thing!)


That's not what he is saying - he's saying killing Palpatine is the right thing to do but Anakin stopped him.


I agree. The IN ESSENCE thing makes me think that on the surface it may look morally wrong, but given that Mace isn't fooled by Palpatine it may be right. Its really a reference IMO to Anakins POV of the situation...as in he thought he was doing the right thing...but it turned out to be a bad move. Lucas says Anakin realizes he crossed the line so...hindsight is 20/20...but its too late to change anything.
However...if Lucas says its wrong...so be it.

 

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Master_Shaitan  5724 posts
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Date Posted: 10/20/05 5:01pm Subject: RE: DVD Commentary Rolling Report *May Contain Spoilers*
Fair enough GiG. I could go along with that. I'd go with the force communication though tongue

 
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HookLineAndSinker  16776 posts
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Date Posted: 10/20/05 5:02pm Subject: RE: DVD Commentary Rolling Report *May Contain Spoilers*
I think Lucas is saying that Mace was doing the wrong thing. I mean how do you explain to the Senate that he killed the Supreme Chancellor because he was a Sith Lord. Where is the proof? The galaxy would turn chaotic and the power vacuum that would engulf the Republic... The Jedi wouldn't be able to control it or ensure peace.

 

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