Jedi Council Forums » Star Wars Films » Revenge of the Sith »
Register | Login | Search | Help | New Boards | Harassment Policy | Rules of the JC | TOS | Markup Codes
Locked Topic | Read Only Topic | Previous Active Topic | Next Active Topic
« 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 11 » - Previous | Next | Reload
Author Topic: DVD Commentary Rolling Report *May Contain Spoilers*
Master_Shaitan  5724 posts
Registered: Dec '04
7965_Qui-Gon Jinn
Date Posted: 10/20/05 5:05pm Subject: RE: DVD Commentary Rolling Report *May Contain Spoilers*
Knoll and Lucas talking about Tantive set - iconic set.

Coleman worried about pacing of Yoda on Tantive so he doesn’t walk to quickly.

Mustafarians collect energy. Collect lava, process it. Test it. Primary issue - collecting energy.

Behind everything there has to be a reason, a logic and a culture - everything flows from that.

Went over and over the scene when Yoda kills the clones and puts his sword away because of the expression on his face. Its a fairly important moment - there was self satisfaction, there was worry and there was kinda too much strength....very tough thing to pull off. - GL

 
Locked Topic | Active Topic Notification | Private Message | Post History
Get_in_Gear  5101 posts
Registered: Nov '04
7389_WED Treadwell Droid
Date Posted: 10/20/05 5:09pm Subject: RE: DVD Commentary Rolling Report *May Contain Spoilers*
Master_Shaitan posted:


But had mace not gone in for the kill Anakin would have helped him - which was the right thing.

Mace makes the wrong move.


No, I don't think that is what is being said at all.
Anakin is duped, we have known that from day one.
Stopping Mace is the right thing in essence - that is what Lucas says.

What Anakin does is the right thing on paper - but we know better than Anakin, because we know the truth.
He says nothing about what Mace is doing, just what Anakin is doing and why he does it - and that reason is that he doesn't know Palpatine is faking.

If Mace had have known how ******-up Anakin was, then yes, he coudl be percieved as making a wrong move in the sense that: "You just made the wrong move buster!" *blam*
Villains can say that line, heroes can say that line - it's all based on POV.
He did not make the wrong move in the moral sense of the phrase - that only exists in Anakin's head...
And it only exists in Anakin's head because he has been conned by Palpatine.
It's the scene where the audience yells "no, it's a trap!" remember?
Not "Yeah, kill the Jedi traitor! He deserves it!"

Stop trying to make this scene be about Mace - it's about Anakin and how he screws up.
Mace just gets screwed.

 

-----signature-----
Locked Topic | Active Topic Notification | Private Message | Post History
Master_Shaitan  5724 posts
Registered: Dec '04
7965_Qui-Gon Jinn
Date Posted: 10/20/05 5:10pm Subject: RE: DVD Commentary Rolling Report *May Contain Spoilers*
This is a piece that is a little bit of a tip to ‘The Godfather’. this is where in The Godfather he is doing the uh christening of the baby and at the same time killing all of his enemies and that’s kind of what’s going on here as The Emperor is declaring the Empire at the same time he is wiping out the last of his allies. - GL

Contrasting the two events together.

The awful part is declaring The Empire.

All star wars is reasonably political. Politics are confused and muddles as they way people see it. Its because of this that people don’t want anything to do with it - thus they turn to someone to clean it up. Separatists etc had too much control over senate. Sidious able to utilise that corruption to further his own power. Sidious using everything and everybody to achieve his ultimate power- GL

(Not word for word - im getting tired!)

 
Locked Topic | Active Topic Notification | Private Message | Post History
Jumpman  3877 posts
Registered: Sep '03
24201_Anakin and Padme
Date Posted: 10/20/05 5:12pm Subject: RE: DVD Commentary Rolling Report *May Contain Spoilers*
GiG is right. In essence, what Anakin is doing is right(by stopping Mace). But, because the audience knows more than Anakin, it's technically wrong. Plus, Anakin has no idea that Palpatine is faking either.

That's what Lucas' is saying.

 

-----signature-----
Twisted by the Dark Side, young Skywalker has become. The boy you trained, gone he is. Consumed by Darth Vader.
-Master Yoda: Episode III Revenge of the Sith.
Locked Topic | Active Topic Notification | Private Message | Post History
DS_Emp_Viper  1087 posts
Registered: Sep '01
14359_Darth Sidious
Date Posted: 10/20/05 5:13pm Subject: RE: DVD Commentary Rolling Report *May Contain Spoilers*
Jumpman posted:
GiG is right. In essence, what Anakin is doing is right. But, because the audience knows more than Anakin, it's technically wrong.

That's what Lucas' is saying.


hmm i disagree with that, it sounds like hes saying that Anakin was right "in essence" to try to save palps. Mace was just forgot himself in the heat of battle. And then bye bye Mace.

 

-----signature-----
And now you see that evil will always triumph, because good is dumb.
Locked Topic | Active Topic Notification | Private Message | Post History
Master_Shaitan  5724 posts
Registered: Dec '04
7965_Qui-Gon Jinn
Date Posted: 10/20/05 5:14pm Subject: RE: DVD Commentary Rolling Report *May Contain Spoilers*
Intensity in Yoda’s face when telling Kenobi that they must destroy the Sith.

GL loves Ewans acting in the last sequences as he is drawn into the horrible reality of what he must do.

He doesn’t want to do it because its his duty. Its his destiny. Now he must confront his friend who wants to bring justice -just like him. So they both want to do the same thing. One is doing it out of strength and power and doing things he knows is wrong and the other one (Kenobi) is doing the inevitable things that he has to do but he really doesn’t want to have to do which is get rid of his friend - GL

 
Locked Topic | Active Topic Notification | Private Message | Post History
Darth Nemesis  149 posts
Registered: May '99
8072_Rise of the Sith
Date Posted: 10/20/05 5:14pm Subject: RE: DVD Commentary Rolling Report *May Contain Spoilers*
The answer is obvious. Why would Mace killing Palpatine be wrong at all. The Jedi seem to have no issue at all with killing someone who is evil. In essence Mace was doing the right thing, if he had destroyed Sidious, order 66 never would have happened. I don't think it matters anyway, because Anakin was the only one who could destroy sidious.

 

-----signature-----
"There is no conflict!"
Locked Topic | Active Topic Notification | Private Message | Post History
Master_Shaitan  5724 posts
Registered: Dec '04
7965_Qui-Gon Jinn
Date Posted: 10/20/05 5:16pm Subject: RE: DVD Commentary Rolling Report *May Contain Spoilers*
Because Mace had the chance to arrest him with Anakin but took the other option. Its a grey area. Mace does the wrong thing. Then Anakin does the wrong thing. But if they had worked together all would have been good. But Anakins intentions go further of course. However, in essence, what Anakin wants is right, what Mace does is wrong..IMO

 
Locked Topic | Active Topic Notification | Private Message | Post History
Master_Shaitan  5724 posts
Registered: Dec '04
7965_Qui-Gon Jinn
Date Posted: 10/20/05 5:19pm Subject: RE: DVD Commentary Rolling Report *May Contain Spoilers*
“In the scene with Padme, where she wont tell him, he realises that the first thing is going to do is run to Anakin and rather than push her for the answer here, he will follow her“. - GL

Balcony Scene

“Anakin on the balcony contemplating what he’s done. This is the first time he actually has a chance to think about what it is that’s happened by himself and the tear here shows that he knows what he’s done but he’s not committed himself a path that he may not agree with but he is going to go along anyway“. - GL

 
Locked Topic | Active Topic Notification | Private Message | Post History
Jumpman  3877 posts
Registered: Sep '03
24201_Anakin and Padme
Date Posted: 10/20/05 5:19pm Subject: RE: DVD Commentary Rolling Report *May Contain Spoilers*
Mace killing Palpatine is wrong because the Jedi have no evidence. This is how Anakin looks at it...eventhough he knows Palpatine is a Sith Lord. It is not the Jedi way to be executioners. As the scene plays out, Mace has seemingly defeated Palpatine. Okay, good. Now, let's take him in. After that, Anakin was going to pump Palpatine for information on the secret to stoping death.

But, because Mace decides to be judge, jury, and executioner in the scene, it forces Anakin's hand. At the end of the day, Anakin's purpose as he walks in is to not let Palpatine die. He's cool with Palpatine going to jail. But, Palpatine can't die. When Mace goes for the strike, Anakin has to make his move. He can't stand by and watch it happen. It's like watching Padme die without acting. What Anakin doesn't know is that Palpatine is faking.

"What have I done" is a direct result of Anakin realizing thathe's been duped. But, now, he can't go back. He must go forward. It's Padme and nothing else.

 

-----signature-----
Twisted by the Dark Side, young Skywalker has become. The boy you trained, gone he is. Consumed by Darth Vader.
-Master Yoda: Episode III Revenge of the Sith.
Locked Topic | Active Topic Notification | Private Message | Post History
Darth Nemesis  149 posts
Registered: May '99
8072_Rise of the Sith
Date Posted: 10/20/05 5:21pm Subject: RE: DVD Commentary Rolling Report *May Contain Spoilers*
Mace only does the "wrong thing" because anakin was there! Yoda tells Obi Wan that they must destroy the sith!!!, not put them on trial!!!He underestimated Sidious, and what was really going on.

 

-----signature-----
"There is no conflict!"
Locked Topic | Active Topic Notification | Private Message | Post History
Get_in_Gear  5101 posts
Registered: Nov '04
7389_WED Treadwell Droid
Date Posted: 10/20/05 5:23pm Subject: RE: DVD Commentary Rolling Report *May Contain Spoilers*
DS_Emp_Viper posted:
Jumpman posted:
GiG is right. In essence, what Anakin is doing is right. But, because the audience knows more than Anakin, it's technically wrong.

That's what Lucas' is saying.


hmm i disagree with that, it sounds like hes saying that Anakin was right "in essence" to try to save palps. Mace was just forgot himself in the heat of battle. And then bye bye Mace.


Isn't that the same thing?
Up until the bit that you plucked from nowhere about Mace losing himself in the heat of battle which isn't mentioned by anyone, anywhere, ever - least of all on this commentary track.
Talk about bias.

Anakin is right to want to stop Mace in essence.
IN ESSENCE.
You don't just tag those words on for no reason.

Let me give you a few examples.

Michael Jackson is IN ESSENCE a soul star who harks back to the golden era of Motown... but he has actually released a mediocre slew of cod R 'n' B pap for the last decade or so.

Milton Keynes is IN ESSENCE a lovely product of modern town planning... but in reality is the armpit of the universe.

Ankin is IN ESSENCE doing the right thing, but does not know that Palpatine is going to kill Mace.

Capiche?
Palps is faking, Anakin is fooled, his judgment is imparied by the con.
What he is doing WOULD be right, if not for the truth of the circumstances.

 

-----signature-----
Locked Topic | Active Topic Notification | Private Message | Post History
Master_Shaitan  5724 posts
Registered: Dec '04
7965_Qui-Gon Jinn
Date Posted: 10/20/05 5:23pm Subject: RE: DVD Commentary Rolling Report *May Contain Spoilers*

Balcony Scene cont….

“It’s the one moment that says he’s self aware. He rat ionising all his behaviour. He’s doing terrible things. But in the end he really knows the truth. He knows that he’s evil now and there’s nothing he can do about it and that’s the moment where the pathos of him being stuck in that suit is real because if he had to do it over he probably wouldn’t do it but he cant stop it now“. - GL

You know where its going to lead. He knows it will end with a fight with Obi Wan. He knows that Padme not buy into this new reality. He made a pact with the devil and now he’s become the devil.

“The sad thing is Padme says there is still good in him and Luke says in ROTJ there is good in you. Its recurring. There is good in him. And that will bring balance to the force. He needs to get rid of the Sith and bring balance to the force” - GL

 
Locked Topic | Active Topic Notification | Private Message | Post History
Jumpman  3877 posts
Registered: Sep '03
24201_Anakin and Padme
Date Posted: 10/20/05 5:24pm Subject: RE: DVD Commentary Rolling Report *May Contain Spoilers*
No. Mace does what he does because Palpatine is Sith. That is the Jedi's job in the large scheme of things; take out the Sith. But, Anakin has to make sure Palpatine is alive. He knows he's Sith but he also knows that Palpatine holds the key to his hearts desire.

 

-----signature-----
Twisted by the Dark Side, young Skywalker has become. The boy you trained, gone he is. Consumed by Darth Vader.
-Master Yoda: Episode III Revenge of the Sith.
Locked Topic | Active Topic Notification | Private Message | Post History
Master_Shaitan  5724 posts
Registered: Dec '04
7965_Qui-Gon Jinn
Date Posted: 10/20/05 5:27pm Subject: RE: DVD Commentary Rolling Report *May Contain Spoilers*
McCallum orgasmic over Mustafa.

The whole back-story that was done in 73’ really just describes the general things that happened. Padme wouldn’t turn with him. She realises that he is changed and wants to be emperor - not the person she married and fell in love with. He gets angry. When he se’s obi wan it sets him off. Originally there was more jealousy with Obi Wan but that was changed. Now he’s just angry because Padme sent obi wan there to kill him - GL

 
Locked Topic | Active Topic Notification | Private Message | Post History
« 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 11 » - Previous | Next | Reload
Jedi Council Forums » Star Wars Films » Revenge of the Sith »
© 2009 IGN Entertainment, Inc (9.02.17.2300, IGNPRDAPPW64214) 0.484