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tubbsdog1911 Registered: May '02	Date Posted: 10/21/05 8:56am Subject: RE: DVD Commentary Rolling Report May Contain Spoilers
	"Because Mace had the chance to arrest him with Anakin but took the other option. Its a grey area. Mace does the wrong thing. Then Anakin does the wrong thing. But if they had worked together all would have been good. But Anakins intentions go further of course. However, in essence, what Anakin wants is right, what Mace does is wrong..IMO" "Mace killing Palpatine is wrong because the Jedi have no evidence. This is how Anakin looks at it...eventhough he knows Palpatine is a Sith Lord. It is not the Jedi way to be executioners. As the scene plays out, Mace has seemingly defeated Palpatine. Okay, good. Now, let's take him in. After that, Anakin was going to pump Palpatine for information on the secret to stoping death. " I've read many of the discussions regarding the "dark side of Mace Windu" and how if he had done the "right thing" by arresting Palpatine then Anakin wouldn't have turned. ARE YOU PEOPLE KIDDING??? Since when do Jedi arrest Sith? Did Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan try to arrest Maul? Did Anakin and Obi-Wan try to arrest Dooku? Did Yoda try to arrest Dooku? Did Yoda try to arrest Palpatine? Did Obi-wan try to arrest Anakin? No, no, No, No, and heck No! Please. The only reason you are questioning Mace's actions is because Mace is Black. You all are imposing whatever hang-ups you have about race on to Star Wars. (and please don't try to turn this into a "why are you bringing up race" thing. By holding the only Black jedi to some standard that no other Jedi has ever been held to, Master Sh*tan or whomever has already made race an issue). Mace tried to do, what jedi do: Destroy the Sith. No conversation and no trial. If you are going to question Mace for attempting to destroy Palpatine then you have to go back and indict EVERY jedi who has attempted to destroy the sith without due process. Sheesh. Tubbs -----signature----- You couldn't see me with a telescope for vision; My rhetorical style sliced haters with precision.
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DarthWolvo23 Registered: Jan '05	Date Posted: 10/21/05 10:11am Subject: RE: DVD Commentary Rolling Report May Contain Spoilers
	yes thanks for that at least we all wont be let down when the info we wanted in the commentary is not there! i cant believe lucas wanted to cut more explainations from the tantive scene at the end - there should have been more in there!!! also, what mccallum thinks about the opera scene doesnt clear anything up, he knows less than most true fans -----signature----- Redemption will pour, it crashes to the floor a million cold thoughts wont stop you feeling warm because the love that you bring, conquers all these things. Saga Forum - Visual Storytelling Thread
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DarthSapient Registered: Jun '01	Date Posted: 10/21/05 10:12am Subject: RE: DVD Commentary Rolling Report May Contain Spoilers
	Keep in mind any quote by Rick McCallum may have been recorded while under the influence of a tall cold one.
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ImperialMarchFace Registered: Oct '02	Date Posted: 10/21/05 10:22am Subject: RE: DVD Commentary Rolling Report May Contain Spoilers
	I can't believe that people read spoiler reports about the DVD commentary. Where's the fun in watching the movie on DVD and knowing what they'll talk about for each scene? Seriously... -----signature----- "Curious" "Frito Lay is not canon" - darth-sinister FAVORITE PT QUOTE CONTEST: http://boards.theforce.net/prequel_trilogy/b10669/24031212/p1/?0
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DarthSapient Registered: Jun '01	Date Posted: 10/21/05 10:23am Subject: RE: DVD Commentary Rolling Report May Contain Spoilers
	The same fun it is reading spoilers and seeing spoiler pics years before the film's out and STILL enjoying the film, but in an even greater sense.
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keko Registered: May '05	Date Posted: 10/21/05 10:24am Subject: RE: DVD Commentary Rolling Report May Contain Spoilers
	did mace used vaapad in the duel what did lucas says about yoda-sidious duel
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DarthSapient Registered: Jun '01	Date Posted: 10/21/05 10:25am Subject: RE: DVD Commentary Rolling Report May Contain Spoilers
	No Vapaad in the duel. I know that was from the Official Site.
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sithrules70 Registered: May '05	Date Posted: 10/21/05 10:28am Subject: RE: DVD Commentary Rolling Report May Contain Spoilers
	Since when do Jedi arrest Sith? Did Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan try to arrest Maul? Did Anakin and Obi-Wan try to arrest Dooku? Did Yoda try to arrest Dooku? Did Yoda try to arrest Palpatine? Did Obi-wan try to arrest Anakin? No, no, No, No, and heck No! so you say mace should have just killed him ??? how the hell would he prove to thousands of senator that their beloved chancellor was a traitor ??' i dont think that mace should have spared him because of the jedi way but because of the logic thing to do.
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rhonderoo Title: Former Head Admin Registered: Aug '02	Date Posted: 10/21/05 10:29am Subject: RE: DVD Commentary Rolling Report May Contain Spoilers
	The only reason you are questioning Mace's actions is because Mace is Black. You all are imposing whatever hang-ups you have about race on to Star Wars. (and please don't try to turn this into a "why are you bringing up race" thing. By holding the only Black jedi to some standard that no other Jedi has ever been held to, Master Sh*tan or whomever has already made race an issue). This ends here. No one is saying they feel this way because Mace is black. Last warning for ANY thread, tubbs. -----signature----- DT421 FYI: You don't deal with me. I deal with you. Damned right the Jedi's fire has gone out of the universe. I was the bad-ass Class C extinguisher who snuffed them. - @darthvader (Darth Vader on Twitter)
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tubbsdog1911 Registered: May '02	Date Posted: 10/21/05 10:32am Subject: RE: DVD Commentary Rolling Report May Contain Spoilers
	sithrules70 posted: Since when do Jedi arrest Sith? Did Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan try to arrest Maul? Did Anakin and Obi-Wan try to arrest Dooku? Did Yoda try to arrest Dooku? Did Yoda try to arrest Palpatine? Did Obi-wan try to arrest Anakin? No, no, No, No, and heck No! so you say mace should have just killed him ??? how the hell would he prove to thousands of senator that their beloved chancellor was a traitor ??' i dont think that mace should have spared him because of the jedi way but because of the logic thing to do. Palpatine had no trouble convincing the senators that the Jedi were conspiring against them. Is it so difficult to believe that if Mace had destroyed Palpatine, the Jedi could convince the Senate that Palpatine was conspiring against Democracy (particularly if it was true)? Anyway, the point is that no one is saying that Luke should have arrested Palpatine in ROTJ. No one is saying that Dooku should have been arrested in AOTC. I'll leave out the rest of my argument due to repeated warnings from Mods (see I can play nice) -----signature----- You couldn't see me with a telescope for vision; My rhetorical style sliced haters with precision.
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Lars_Muul Registered: Oct '00	Date Posted: 10/21/05 10:41am Subject: RE: DVD Commentary Rolling Report May Contain Spoilers
	Luke wouldn't need to arrest Palpatine, because everyone knew he was a crook. Same goes for Dooku. In this case, though, Palpatine had the Republic on his side and noone would believe Mace if he killed the Chancellor. He would look like a traitor and murderer. The Jedi are losers /LM
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tubbsdog1911 Registered: May '02	Date Posted: 10/21/05 10:47am Subject: RE: DVD Commentary Rolling Report May Contain Spoilers
	Lars_Muul posted: Luke wouldn't need to arrest Palpatine, because everyone knew he was a crook. Same goes for Dooku. In this case, though, Palpatine had the Republic on his side and noone would believe Mace if he killed the Chancellor. He would look like a traitor and murderer. The Jedi are losers /LM I don't know if everyone during the "civil war era" thought Palpatine was a crook. Remember, Han Solo was in the Imperial Navy for awhile, right? I'm sure there was as much misinformation about the Emperor during ROTJ as there was in ROTS. As for Dooku in AOTC, he was a "charismatic leader" and while the Jedi knew he was a criminal (after trying to have them executed) the rest of the galaxy was not privy to such information. Again, jedi kill sith. Mace did what a jedi is supposed to do. People that argue Mace was wrong for trying to kill a Sith and Anakin was somehow RIGHT for defending Palpatine and assisting in destroying Mace (and the Jedi order, and the Democracy of the Old Republic) may have other reasons for taking that position. -----signature----- You couldn't see me with a telescope for vision; My rhetorical style sliced haters with precision.
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darth-sinister Title: Manager Emeritus Registered: Jun '01	Date Posted: 10/21/05 11:12am Subject: RE: DVD Commentary Rolling Report May Contain Spoilers
	Since when do Jedi arrest Sith? If they're in trouble for war crimes, they do. Did Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan try to arrest Maul? They would've after the duel, if they both won and defeated Maul without killing him. They had questions for him. Did Anakin and Obi-Wan try to arrest Dooku? Anakin blew it, during their first fight. For their second fight, they would've arrested him so that he could be charged for war crimes and questioned about Sidious. Then Obi-wan got knocked out and Anakin killed him in cold blood. Had he not listened to Palpatine, he would've arrested him. Note that Anakin hesitated in killing Dooku and even said it was not the Jedi way. Did Yoda try to arrest Dooku? Dooku fled before he could. Did Yoda try to arrest Palpatine? No need to. Did Obi-wan try to arrest Anakin? No need to. -----signature----- Stewie: "Oh, this is an even bigger jackpot than when the Emperor came up with the formula for great Star Wars dialouge." Palpatine: "Something, something, something. Dark side. Something, something, something complete."
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SashaSkywalker Registered: Oct '05	Date Posted: 10/21/05 11:22am Subject: RE: DVD Commentary Rolling Report May Contain Spoilers
	Incoming newbie with opinion, please don`t flame me. I think it was established that the Jedi code forbids killing an unarmed or incapacited opponent. They can and will destroy Sith, but if they`re down on the floor begging to be spared, than the killing blow is a big no-no. Be they smugglers, slavers or even Sith Lords. That`s why Anakin killing Dooku when he did was wrong and against the code as would Mace in the same situation. As would any Jedi according to their OWN code. Now common sense and reason suggest that Palps was indeed to powerful, Sithly and otherwise, to be left alive. And seeing as he practically controlled the Republic, a trial would be a joke. So from that point Mace was right. The only Jedi I can think of right now he would under no circumstances kill him like this would be Obi Wan, because he would stand by the code even if it was considered stupid in this situation. Anakin on the other hand suggested the "right thing to do" according to the code, but for the wrong reasons. If Palpatine would have quickly told him what he wanted to know, Mace then could have chopped him to bits. That`s at least what I take from Lucas commentary. And btw, thanks so much for posting it. Must have been quite some work. -----signature----- And within your furnace heart, you burn in your own flame. This is how it feels to be Anakin Skywalker. Forever.
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tubbsdog1911 Registered: May '02	Date Posted: 10/21/05 11:28am Subject: RE: DVD Commentary Rolling Report May Contain Spoilers
	darth-sinister posted: Since when do Jedi arrest Sith? If they're in trouble for war crimes, they do. Did Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan try to arrest Maul? They would've after the duel, if they both won and defeated Maul without killing him. They had questions for him. Did Anakin and Obi-Wan try to arrest Dooku? Anakin blew it, during their first fight. For their second fight, they would've arrested him so that he could be charged for war crimes and questioned about Sidious. Then Obi-wan got knocked out and Anakin killed him in cold blood. Had he not listened to Palpatine, he would've arrested him. Note that Anakin hesitated in killing Dooku and even said it was not the Jedi way. Did Yoda try to arrest Dooku? Dooku fled before he could. Did Yoda try to arrest Palpatine? No need to. Did Obi-wan try to arrest Anakin? No need to. That is pure unadulterated conjecture. There is no line in the movies that says that Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon should have (or would have) arrested Maul. The same for the rest of your examples. The only times I recall a jedi attempting to arrest an individual were when Obi-Wan was instructed to detain Jango in AOTC (not that Jango was a Sith, but I'm just laying out the occasions where Jedi have attempted to arrest anyone) and when Mace attempted to arrest Palpatine. No, as far as the movies are concerned jedi kill sith on sight. Mace paid lip service to the laws of the Republic by stating that the Chancellor was under arrest, but in every other instance of jedi and sith clashing (in the movies) there has been no claim that the sith should be detained and, in fact, no attempt at arrest. So, again, Mace was under no duty to arrest Palpatine. Some people have argued that Mace was not acting as a jedi should by attempting to kill Palpatine without arresting him. There is no other case in any of the movies where jedi arrested sith. None. To argue that Mace trying to kill Palpatine is somehow a flaw in Mace indicates to me that someone has some other problem with Mace that they are not articulating. -----signature----- You couldn't see me with a telescope for vision; My rhetorical style sliced haters with precision.
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