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yoshifett
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11/4/05 4:17pm
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darth-sinister posted:
yoshifett posted:
Brings up this question though: Wouldn't Dooku know about the rule of two, since Yoda and Mace knew about this?
Palpatine told Dooku that he was going to do away with it, after the Jedi Purge and the Clone Wars were over. It would begin with Anakin, who would be like Asajj Ventress.
yoshifett posted:
And why would force lightning be prohibited, it doesn't kill a single person directly (that business with Mace doesn't, doesn't count), so why couldn't it be used, at least to hold Anakin off?
The point is to fight Anakin until the boy wins. If he wins, Palpatine will step in and stop the fight. If Dooku wins and Palpatine is too disappointed, Dooku has consent to kill Anakin. Otherwise, the boy lives for the time being.
Good answers!
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Count-Tyranus
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Quite simply, lightning is to easy to handle.
It seems that Dooku's force pushes were a bit more effective.
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sith_rising
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He probably knew that they would expect it, since he gave Anakin a facefull of it last time.
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Chosen_One1
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Why didn't Dooku light up Anakin again?
Because Anakin was ready for it this time and he would have just blocked it.
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Darth_Aramis
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Here's an interesting question for you...
When Dooku is at the mercy of Anakin, his master gives Anakin the order to, "Kill him! Kill him now!" The look on Dooku's face says it all. Shock, disbelief, etc. Why didn't Dooku, at that moment, confirm to Anakin that Palpatine was a Sith Lord? He is going to die anyway, why not turn the tables on Palpatine?
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legion_of_me
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Dooku probably thought that he was too valuable to Sids to be replaced.
Rule #1: Don't ever think that you can't be replaced.
yoshifett posted:
Brings up this question though: Wouldn't Dooku know about the rule of two, since Yoda and Mace knew about this?
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sith_rising
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Dooku knew about the Rule of Two, as he tried to recruit Obi-Wan behind Palpatine's back. Dooku didn't think that Anakin would be capable of defeating him, and never suspected that Palpatine would choose Anakin over him, as he had proved himself to Palpatine by starting the war and leading the Seperatists.
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Xephalon
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How many times would Anakin fall for it?
Once
thought so..
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TaradosGon
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SithStarSlayer posted:
darth-sinister posted:
"Palpatine has told Dooku. 'I have somebody who I think will be a great Sith Lord and I think we can get him to join us. But we need to test him. So we're going to setup a situation where you fight him. If he gets the best of you, then I'll stop the fight and he'll have passed the test. If you get the best of him, then we'll let him go, and we'll let him stew for a few more years until he's ready.' But behind it, obviously, is Palpatine's real intention: If Anakin is good enough, Anakin can kill Dooku and become Palpatine's new apprentice. But he didn't tell Dooku that."
--George Lucas, The Making Of ROTS; Page 41.
That's why he didn't try to fry Anakin and Obi-wan.
[Bail Organa] "And so it is..." [/Bail Organa]
That seems like a contradiction to what is said on the commentary.
"In this particular case the idea is that Palpatine is testing Anakin to see if he is strong enough to become his new apprentice, and he doesn't tell Dooku what he's actually up to." --Lucas, ROTS Commentary
EDIT: There isn't a blatant contradiction, it just seems that on the commentary he's being a lot more vague and his wording (ignoring what is said in the making of) suggests the idea that Dooku thought the fight was for real to draw out Anakin and Obi-Wan to kill them.
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-HD-YaebGinn
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waitasec- why couldnt dooku light up anakin or push anakin when he was behanded and anakin was debating whether or not to kill him? I mean, Luke used it when his hands werent moving, and the Force has nothing to do with hands, it's a mind thing.
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voodoopuuduu
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waitasec- why couldnt dooku light up anakin or push anakin when he was behanded and anakin was debating whether or not to kill him? I mean, Luke used it when his hands werent moving, and the Force has nothing to do with hands, it's a mind thing.
But remember, it took Luke a while and he had to make funny faces to do so.  Im sure Anakin would have had Dookus head off the minute he saw that. 
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TaradosGon
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voodoopuuduu posted:
But remember, it took Luke a while and he had to make funny faces to do so.
What scene are we talking about?
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inkswamp
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12/9/05 10:28pm
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Hmm... I know it's not in the script in any form but am I the only one who got some sense that Dooku was told to go easy on Anakin? I think it's that look Dooku gives Palpatine when he's been defeated. It has such a pained, this-isn't-what-we-planned look to it.
I mean, here's a guy who was able to fend off Yoda in AOTC, and he didn't seem to have half the fight in him that he did previously. But, he's able to fend off Obi-Wan with shocking ease--the same Obi-Wan who defeats Anakin later in the film. It doesn't stack up properly. I wonder if it's not being implied. You can sort of imagine the conversation between Sidious and Dooku in preparation.
S: Go easy on young Skywalker when you confront him, Lord Tyrannus. We don't want to kill him. He could be a powerful ally.
D: Yes, and what about Obi-Wan Kenobi?
S: He will only get in our way. Kill him.
D: Yes, master.
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inkswamp
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darth-sinister posted:
"Palpatine has told Dooku. 'I have somebody who I think will be a great Sith Lord and I think we can get him to join us. But we need to test him. So we're going to setup a situation where you fight him. If he gets the best of you, then I'll stop the fight and he'll have passed the test. If you get the best of him, then we'll let him go, and we'll let him stew for a few more years until he's ready.' But behind it, obviously, is Palpatine's real intention: If Anakin is good enough, Anakin can kill Dooku and become Palpatine's new apprentice. But he didn't tell Dooku that."
--George Lucas, The Making Of ROTS; Page 41.
That's why he didn't try to fry Anakin and Obi-wan.
I posted too soon. Here I just got done theorizing something just like that. Thanks for posting it. I love that Lucas puts that much thought into these things, and it's a pity that so many people are so quick to write it off a sloppy writing or plot holes.
yoshifett posted:
Brings up this question though: Wouldn't Dooku know about the rule of two, since Yoda and Mace knew about this?
I think we fans take this "rule of two" thing a little too literally. It's not like the Sith Police are going to show up and arrest a sith for breaking it and it's not like we're dealing with by-the-book guys when it comes to the sith. They're bad guys. The idea that they can't even abide by their own, single rule is sort of fitting. Certainly, there's almost no evidence that they adhere to the rule in any religious way. Seems to me it's just a guideline or a general idea, like the Golden Rule here on earth.
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sith_rising posted:
Dooku knew about the Rule of Two, as he tried to recruit Obi-Wan behind Palpatine's back. Dooku didn't think that Anakin would be capable of defeating him, and never suspected that Palpatine would choose Anakin over him, as he had proved himself to Palpatine by starting the war and leading the Seperatists.
Actually, in the novelization, Palpatine knows about it. Dooku wasn't trying to overthrow Sidious. He genuinely thought that Obi-wan would make a valueable asset, based on his connection to Qui-gon Jinn. But as Palpatine has to remind Dooku, Obi-wan's too well conditioned to turn. Anakin isn't, so he is their true target.
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