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SLASHAXL
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1/4/06 4:38pm
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Anakin had the potential to become the most powerful jedi ever, True.
And we know he wasnt anywhere near reaching his full potential in Ep 3.
But if he had reached 50% of his full potential he would have been probably
been on Par with Yoda, sidious and Mace windu.
And at 22 years of age, i think he was close to 50% of his potential.
Remember Sidious told Yoda " Lord Vader will become MORE powerful than either of us".
True, he might not have been MORE powerful than them, but at that stage he would
probably still give them a run for there money in a lightsaber duel.
I think he would physically have been almost on equal terms with them.
He might not have learned all the tricks that they had up ther sleaves.
But that dosent mean his ability wasnt at there level.
Anakin was being held back by the jedi council, as they thought he needed to mature.
He told sidious " i know they are things about the force there not telling me".
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brook_33
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SLASHAXL posted:
Remember Sidious told Yoda " Lord Vader will become MORE powerful than either of us".
I think Sidious was just gloating.
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brook_33
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So yes, I think Anakin could have whupped Palpatine's butt if he didn't get hit by a senate pod.
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Of course Anakin could block force lightning with his Saber, if Obi did it in EpII then Anakin could easily do it in EpIII.
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Icestar63
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brook_33 posted:
Well then let's make an assumption based on what we've seen in the movies and read in the eu. Would you guys put Anakin and Sidious in 9? Gillard says 9 is the dark side, but does that mean Yoda, Mace, and Obi-wan can't get past lvl 8? I know Obi is lvl 8, but does he have the potential to get any better?
Yes, I think Obi-wan could get more better. 
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Of course Anakin could block force lightning with his Saber, if Obi did it in EpII then Anakin could easily do it in EpIII.
That was Dooku's weak and pathetic lightning, not the Emperor's much stronger lightning. I don't think Anakin could block any of the Emperor's lightning because he isn't as strong as the Emperor. Luke couldn't block lightning either.
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MacetheCouncillor posted:
Ulicus posted:
Lucas comments about "young boys, old men and half-droids" being bad with lightsabers have kind of been supplanted by the fact he has shown in the prequels that old men and half-droids are pretty damn good with lightsabers. So instead, I take the viewpoint that the *only* reason the lightsaber fighting is the way it is, is because of the age of the films.. there's not really a satisfactory "in universe" explanation. Especially when it comes to Vader vs Obi-Wan II.
I understand what you are saying about that comment being supplanted, but I still think OT Vader and Obi-Wan are meant to be less good with the saber than Episode III Mace, Yoda or Sidious.
sometime between episode 3 and episode 4 Obi-wan was probilly around Mace level in terms of lightsaber skills. Vader and Obi-wan got older in episode 4 so they can not fight as good as they used to.
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brook_33
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Dooku had smoother flowing lightning that could be easily blocked by a lightsaber. Palpatine's lightning was much more staticy, and harder to block, as seen with Mace and Yoda. Luke would have had much difficulty had he tried to block the lightning with his hands or saber.
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MacetheCouncillor
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Icestar63 posted:
sometime between episode 3 and episode 4 Obi-wan was probilly around Mace level in terms of lightsaber skills. Vader and Obi-wan got older in episode 4 so they can not fight as good as they used to.
Well, I know you would never give Mace the credit of having more talent for lightsaber dueling than Obi-Wan. It is strange, your argument here, because I remember that in Dooku's case, you said he had to be more powerful than Mace because he was older and more experienced. But when Obi-Wan clearly is not as good in Episode IV as Mace is in Episode III, it is his age that is to blame. People must really hate Mace Windu, using all these double standards to deny him any credit.
In any case, there is nothing to support the notion that Obi-Wan was around Mace's level as a duelist some time between Episodes III and IV, so it is a completely unsupported opinion on your part. In fact, the fact that the Emperor is still alive in the OT seems to indicate otherwise, although that is debatable.
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MacetheCouncillor posted:
Icestar63 posted:
sometime between episode 3 and episode 4 Obi-wan was probilly around Mace level in terms of lightsaber skills. Vader and Obi-wan got older in episode 4 so they can not fight as good as they used to.
Well, I know you would never give Mace the credit of having more talent for lightsaber dueling than Obi-Wan. It is strange, your argument here, because I remember that in Dooku's case, you said he had to be more powerful than Mace because he was older and more experienced. But when Obi-Wan clearly is not as good in Episode IV as Mace is in Episode III, it is his age that is to blame. People must really hate Mace Windu, using all these double standards to deny him any credit.
In any case, there is nothing to support the notion that Obi-Wan was around Mace's level as a duelist some time between Episodes III and IV, so it is a completely unsupported opinion on your part. In fact, the fact that the Emperor is still alive in the OT seems to indicate otherwise, although that is debatable.
Actullay I give Mace alot of credit  . Mace, Obi-wan,Anakin,Yoda,Qui-gon,Luke are all my favorite jedi. But some people don't give Obi-wan any credit but every one is entiled to there own opinion.
Well if Mace does have more talent then Obi-wan it is because he is more experianced and has been a jedi longer then Obi-wan, If Mace was still alive he would not fight as good as he used to because he would be much more old and he would be hiding with Obi-wan and Yoda to wait to train Luke. By A New Hope Obi-wan does not fight as good as he used to because of his age and he has not been fighting for almost 20 years.If he kept fighting he could have got better.
I do not need any evedince because onscreen it shows a jedi can get better with experiance.
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CAPTAIN_CHOLO
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I believe that the answer to this question is absolutely yes ... Anakin was supposed to destroy the Sith, not join them ... Just like Obi Wan said it before.
The reason why Palpatine became interested in Anakin's career after TPM was because of his power, nothing else ... Palpatine and Anakin became friends, and even Anakin saw Palpatine as his mentor ... But, Palpatine decided to make Anakin his apprentice when the Jedi was old enough (23-24 years old) ... By the time of the Clone Wars.
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brook_33
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Over the 20 years between the sagas I believe that Obi-wan spent his time watching Luke and training himself in the Force (and with Qui-gon also). His sabers skills probably declined. He knew that Vader had eliminated almost all the Force-users in the galaxy, so he wasn't concerned about dueling with anyone. In the case that he'd confront Anakin, he figured he would probably die and become one with the Force.
In Vader's case, he has an entire army to do his dirty work. In the case that he planned on using his saber, he's still good, but not as good as before because he hasn't practiced in a while, and he's part mechanical. People say "But Grievous is 90% machine and Vader's 50%. Grievous can use 4 sabers effectively and killing Jedi in their prime." True, but Vader didn't want to sacrifice his human body for a machine body. He replaced what he lost, and added machine to KEEP HIM ALIVE, not to enhance his ability. He's a walking life support machine, where as Grievous is a walking weapon.
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Fortunately for Anakin, his power (Or lack thereof) didn’t matter in fulfilling his destiny as the Chosen One.
"At this point, Vader’s plan really now that he knows he’s his son is to convince him to come with him. Join the Dark Side and together they’re going to overthrow the Emperor, which is the thematic devices used through the whole movies in terms of the Sith, which is Sith Lords are usually no more than two because if there are three, then two of them will gang up on one to try to become the dominate Sith. Anakin would have been able to do it if he hadn’t been debilitated and now he’s half machine and half man, so he’s lost a lot of the power of the Force, and he’s lost a lot of his ability to be more powerful than the Emperor. But Luke hasn’t. Luke is Vader’s hope. His motives at this point are purely evil. He simply wants to continue on what he was doing before which is get rid of the Emperor and make himself Emperor. He only sees his son as a mechanism for the ambition. His mad lust of power."
--George Lucas
Yeah, the PT Anakin had the potential to be more powerful than Sidious, but power and destiny have nothing to do with one another.
Anakin’s compassion for Luke, is what gave him the ‘strength’ to defeat Sidious and fulfill his destiny.
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