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ZamWesell44
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1/30/06 7:41pm
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you right about the darkside, but not saber skills. Anakin was proably unmatched in that aspect.
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Rossa83
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ZamWesell44 posted:
you right about the darkside, but not saber skills. Anakin was proably unmatched in that aspect.
Really? he lost to OBW in a straight saber duel... Yoda, Mace and Sideous was stronger and better duelists than OBW... Anakin was up there, but he was rivaled, and bested by three...
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mjerome3
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During the conclusion of Anakin's duel with Obi-Wan, look at his face when he says You underestimate my power. He looks like a mad man, who is nowhere near in his right mind. Skywalker would have eventually overpowered Obi-Wan and cut him down but he could neither control or focus his emotions. Imagine if had he jumped from a closer range. His blade could have very well reached Obi-Wan high ground or not. Obi-Wan won because of his brains and Anakin lost because of lack there of.
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farrellg
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ZamWesell44 posted:
you right about the darkside, but not saber skills. Anakin was proably unmatched in that aspect.
The Emperor proved that even his saber skills are better than Anakin's.Anakin didn't kill the Jedi in the Temple as quickly as the Emperor killed the posse. Anakin was fighting two Jedi in the hologram (Cin Drallig and a Padawan), one at a time. Both of them blocked at least two of his strikes. He didn't kill them in one move each the way the Emperor did with the posse. The posse are better than the Jedi in the Temple because Mace took the best swordsmen available with him (as the novel and OS confirm). Anakin couldn't even kill inferior Jedi as quickly as the Emperor killed the posse.
McDiarmid said the Emperor is the fastest swordsman in the galaxym which means he is faster than Anakin. This is consistent with what we see onscreen, because Anakin didn't kill his opponents as quickly as the Emperor did.
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ZamWesell44
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The novel also says Anakin is the most powerful jedi ever. And Shaak Ti was a master and equal to Agen and Kit and Tiin, if not stronger,
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TheDarkSideAreThey
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There is no way Anakin is more powerful than Palpatine in ROTS. Anakin has overestimated his power, which is fueled by pure rage, which has caused some delusion on his part. Palpatine has Sith secrets up his sleeve that Anakin doesn’t have knowledge of. Saber-to-saber, I think Anakin would have a chance, but then again Palps chopped down 3 Jedi masters in 5 seconds, so I would give Palps the advantage there too. After all, Palpatine is the Master.
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farrellg
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ZamWesell44 posted:
The novel also says Anakin is the most powerful jedi ever. And Shaak Ti was a master and equal to Agen and Kit and Tiin, if not stronger,
The novel said Anakin is the most powerful Jedi of his generation. Yoda and Mace aren't of the same generation. Lucas referred to the Emperor and Yoda as the "toughest" in regards to their duel. This means Yoda is more powerful than Anakin during ROTS.
Shaak Ti isn't isn't to Mace's posse. The OS and novel say the posse were the best swordsmen available. Anakin didn't kill Cin Drallig and the Padawan as quickly as Palpatine killed the posse. A padawan is certainly inferior to the Jedi Masters Palpatine faced. This confirms that Anakin isn't as good of a swordsman as the Emperor.
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Rossa83
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Farrelg: you try to compare fights too easily. You should know that no fight is similar. Yoda was more powerful than Mace, yet Mace defeated Sideous and Yoda did not - only drawed. Anakin might not really want to kill those Jedi. Once they were his friends, they trusted him. Also, we see two, but he could be fighting ten... the video footage only shows us so much. However, farrelg, this time I agree with you in that Sideous is more powerful than Anakin. There is no disputing Anakin's talent, but by the time of ROTS Sideous, Yoda and Mace were all stronger. OBW was still a better Jedi...
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farrellg
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Rossa83 posted:
Farrelg: you try to compare fights too easily. You should know that no fight is similar. Yoda was more powerful than Mace, yet Mace defeated Sideous and Yoda did not - only drawed. Anakin might not really want to kill those Jedi. Once they were his friends, they trusted him. Also, we see two, but he could be fighting ten... the video footage only shows us so much. However, farrelg, this time I agree with you in that Sideous is more powerful than Anakin. There is no disputing Anakin's talent, but by the time of ROTS Sideous, Yoda and Mace were all stronger. OBW was still a better Jedi...
By the time Anakin got to the Temple. the dark side was strong with him. He definitely wanted to kill the Jedi. If there were more than two Jedi, we would have seen them in the hologram. Anakin wasn't even fighting the Jedi together. He fought Cin Drallig and a Padawan one at a time. Anakin didn't kill either of them in one move, which shows he isn't as good as the Emperor.
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The_Chibi_Kiriyama
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I truly believe that the only reason Obi-Wan survived both of his fights was because he blocked all incoming attacks the entire time. The only periods he showed an offense was against droids and the odd saber-twirling bit midway, and Anakin bulldogged through the Force-Off with a spry leap his way that Obi-Wan barely avoided. In fact, I can argue that fact throughout all the films. He has an impecible defense but nothing more. His vivisection of Anakin's limbs wasn't skill- even a Padawan could have countered that crazy plan of attack with eyelids closed all the while. A brilliant saber tactician? Yes. Better than Anakin? No. Equal to him in status? Perhaps.
Yet again, a bit of my skewered view on this. 
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Rossa83
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1/31/06 10:49pm
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farrellg posted:
By the time Anakin got to the Temple. the dark side was strong with him. He definitely wanted to kill the Jedi. If there were more than two Jedi, we would have seen them in the hologram. Anakin wasn't even fighting the Jedi together. He fought Cin Drallig and a Padawan one at a time. Anakin didn't kill either of them in one move, which shows he isn't as good as the Emperor.
You are being too blunt. That doesn't prove anything. I'm with you on this one. However, your arguments aren't solid. It was a short and not very good hologram... the fact is that we don't know how many there are. The fact that he didn't kill them all in one attack can be explained in many ways. The Jedi Possee, regrettably, came out as pathetic. I'm so sorry that Lucas made them seem so weak - at least one should last quite a while...
Also, even though Anakin/Vader was consumed by the dark side, he still had conflicts within himself. This is evident on Mustafar when a tear rolls down his cheek... he isn't fully evil, yet...
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