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Darth_Frigerator
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12/7/05 5:54pm
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that's right and if you have the widescreen verision of the film then you can see the Ki-Adi also get shot like three times after he hits the ground, If the clones have a hob to do they make sure they do it right.
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PhantomMenace
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At least Aayla went for her lightsaber. She didn't have it during the up-close shot, then she had it right as the clones were going to fire on her. Perhaps she sensed this but was too late to respond.
Some acklay probably made lunch out of her corpse. 
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 Lord_of_all_Noldor posted:
Hehe, Aayla is hot when she falls dead. 
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WitchKing66
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Nktalloth posted:
Aayla Secura's death... dissapointed me. I have not read the comics, firstly, so you must excuse anything I say for it is entirely based on what I have seen in the movies. I rather liked her, when I first noticed her. The idea that a Jedi knight would dress like that teed me off a little, sure, but I tend to ignore those little annoyances of mine because they'll show up gauranteed in any movie, game, or book.
When I saw her die, I didn't see some sexist statement, or some horrible tradgedy... I saw a poorly designed character being portrayed by a bad actress being killed. Once again, I must profess my ignorance of the comics, and so only speak of what I saw in the movies. I had more sympathy for Dooku than I did for Aayla. And I didn't even like Dooku! I think that the lackluster death of Secura was lazyness on the part of Georgy-boy, the talentless gal who portrayed her, and everyone at ILM.
Emphasis on talentless. Even I can act out death better than that. I have seen random neighboorhood children act out dieing better. The only scene that can piss me off more than this is Padme's death scene, but for different reasons (BAD STORYTELLING).
i got the perfect excuse for her lack of vision
on felucia, right before Aayla get basled into oblivion; the last frame shot that is showing the blue jedi and the strommtroopers from the back, if u look at the direction that the convoy is heading u will see 4 or 5 Commerce Guild spide driods from AOTC
look for it, its there. we can say that there was a sudden distarction and not to mention the bird flying overhead
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Nktalloth
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WitchKing66 posted:
i got the perfect excuse for her lack of vision
on felucia, right before Aayla get basled into oblivion; the last frame shot that is showing the blue jedi and the strommtroopers from the back, if u look at the direction that the convoy is heading u will see 4 or 5 Commerce Guild spide driods from AOTC
look for it, its there. we can say that there was a sudden distarction and not to mention the bird flying overhead
That's no excuse. I've been led to believe Jedi are taught to be aware of their surroundings and some have mild precognisense (or however it's spelled). Plus, I am also led to believe that because of the poor engineering descision to give them long spindly legs, spider droids can be incapacitated by explosions about the joints, not something terribly pressing as they also move slowly, have a slow refire rate, and have to crash through God knows how much mushroomy forest before they become an immediate concern. If she had seen something that can move fairly quickly, or was well suited to the terrain, or fairly close, or well-made I would understand better.
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Darth_Frigerator
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Yeah but she might have been thinking of a plan to destroy those droids when they pulled their guns on her.
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Greedo_forever
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Well, part of the tragedy of this scene (and other Jedi death scenes) is that it was a betrayal. None foresaw that. Not even Yoda (well, at the last MINUTE he did, but that's because he's YODA).
Some say that they thought that this scene was told badly, story-wise, based on their own ideas and rationalisations of how the Star Wars Universe works. I don't buy that at all.
Part of the tragedy of the demise of the Jedi was the fact that they had become arrogant, short sighted and even clouded. That played a part of it.
As for the Jedi being unable to detect this event from occuring (or, on a smaller scale, the attacks of their clone troopers) remember that first- the clone troopers probably showed NO signs of betrayal before. Order 66 was like a trigger command, which, being the automatons that they are, followed blindly without question of doubt. Betrayal was just unthinkeable.
Remember also that the Dark Side was clouding everything, and that the ability to use the Force (even for the masters) was diminished as of late.
I'm sorry that the most attractive and hot of the Jedi got killed like that... but, hey.
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DarthSapient
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I'm sorry that the most attractive and hot of the Jedi got killed like that... but, hey.
Face it, that's why she's as popular as she is and why so many fans mourn her death. Not too may Ki-Adi Mundi and Plo Koon death threads. But the girls with the bloobies goes on perpetually.
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SHAD0W-JEDI
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Sheesh....and the comments on this Board are mostly from SW fans!
The Jedi are not indestructible, nor infallible, nor are they inpossible to injure or even surprise. They are very formidable, yes, and at times they may well have given the impression of being NEARLY all those "i" words I used above... *S*... but clearly that is not the case. Take a look at the AOTC arena sequence for example. IN AOTC, Obi Wan has all kinds of difficulties with Jango and Boba Fett. Destroyers led Qui Gonn and Obi Wan to retreat in TPM. Mace was nearly set ablaze by Jango. In particular circumstances, under certain conditions, Jedi can be overwhelmed, surprised, and wounded/killed. Qui-Gonn notes as much in TPM...
I don't think "acting" had anything to do with the Aayla death scene -- look, if you don't like the character and/or the woman portraying her, that is your right, entirely. But Aayla was taken off guard, spun around, and was blasted from point blank range. She had no time to do much of anything else. It didn't look terribly elegant or graceful -- and for me that ADDED to the power and realism of the scene. There as nothing pretty or stylish about it. There wasn't MEANT to be. It was quick, brutal and ugly.
Why this particular blue Jedi engenders such hostility in some is beyond me. Hmmmm....
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DarthSapient
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How do we even know it's bad acting or not? Have any of us been on a fungus planet with clones fighting alongside us only to be betrayed and gunned down by laser fire? Maybe this is how it would look.
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WitchKing66
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Greedo_forever posted:
Well, part of the tragedy of this scene (and other Jedi death scenes) is that it was a betrayal. None foresaw that. Not even Yoda (well, at the last MINUTE he did, but that's because he's YODA).
Some say that they thought that this scene was told badly, story-wise, based on their own ideas and rationalisations of how the Star Wars Universe works. I don't buy that at all.
Part of the tragedy of the demise of the Jedi was the fact that they had become arrogant, short sighted and even clouded. That played a part of it.
As for the Jedi being unable to detect this event from occuring (or, on a smaller scale, the attacks of their clone troopers) remember that first- the clone troopers probably showed NO signs of betrayal before. Order 66 was like a trigger command, which, being the automatons that they are, followed blindly without question of doubt. Betrayal was just unthinkeable.
Remember also that the Dark Side was clouding everything, and that the ability to use the Force (even for the masters) was diminished as of late.
I'm sorry that the most attractive and hot of the Jedi got killed like that... but, hey.
well said. though i feel sorry for Lucas, who created such a nice universe so damn realistic that people actually gets pissed of him (lucas) due to minor characters
though i dont blame them, i am like that also lol
also FYI in general, the whole Jedi massacre at the Arena form the movie AOTC was suppose to portray a chapter in our human history; i read a lot of history books and during on the many battles between the Ottoman Empire and the Christendom, the Chritian army manages to push back the muslim army which retreated in ordinary fashion on a hill. then the august Knights of Christianty in their pride and arragonace march in hundreds, with their faboulus massive armors, shiny sword and their great horses, they charge the ottoman army that was waiting on the hill. as they went up and up and up they lost their potential and when they reached the massive ottoman army, they were unhorsed easilly because of their massive armor and slaughtered in the hundreds; and my friends the Ottman Army was considered the finest imperial war machine that existed in that period of time; but nevertheless for some reason the Knight, tall and proud, thought they could crush a high caliber imperial army
so that is the story of the Jedi Knights, tall and proud march into the Arena in the hundreds...
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DarthSapient
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Seems that some of what Sidious said to Anakin in the opera was true. The Jedi and Sith are basically the same. They are over-confident in their abilities and to never be killed. RotS proved both sides wrong. The Jedi and Sith were spanked by the Force.
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SHAD0W-JEDI
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I have to repsectfully disagree with this notion of Jedi "arrogance"...
If you watch these movies...with NO outside "assistance".. in other words, watch them as a non-SW fan would... as a person would who has NOT read many or any interviews with GL, who does not care about DVD commentaries, who does not pick up INSIDER or subscribe to HYPERSPACE... I daresay the movies would look very different to you than they do to most here. Most here have heard GL allude to Jedi mistakes, arrogance, etc...and so are perpetually on the lookout for these things. Every time a Jedi is wrong, or tricked, or comes out on the short end of a conflict, these things are trotted out. GLmay well believe that "Jedi Arrogance" played a big part here, but I would assert that he did not do a great job of illustrating that in a very clear way.
Again, respectfully.... I just don't buy it.
The Jedi were somehow, I take it, supposed to know that Palpatine was a Sith Lord, who happened to have planted a "Kill the Jedi" order in the clone's training, and that the clones, who had to that point bravely and loyally fought alongside the Jedi, were going to suddenly turn on them?
Er...okay. Sure.
And when the Jedi went into the arena on Geonosis...that was because they were arrogant and smug? Or...how about..brave and self-sacrificing? I guarantee you that non-SW insiders think the latter when they see that scene..because they aren't looking for this supposed flaw of arrogance.
I don't mean for this to come off as unduly harsh or combative, but I have to say that this "Jedi Arrogance" think has become a sort of standard, all-purpose thing that gets tossed out there a bit too readily (IMHO). The Jedi should have known Palpatine was a Sith Lord. They were wrong to hesitate to train Anakin. No, wait, they were wrong to train Anakin. When they told that nine year old that they sensed fear in him, and that fear led to..etc..et.c...that was pretty haughty and cold, no? Except..er...isn't that precisely the path Anakin followed, to the detriment of billions? They were wrong to not make Anakin a master...er...yeah, at that point he HAD slaughtered the Tuskens, married Padme, fathered kids, and lied to them for years...as well as having harbored an arrogant control-freak streak for years, but..um... They shouldn't have dabbled in politics - apparently so Sidious could ahve come to power COMPLETELY unopposed. Qui-Gonn was NOT tainted, was not arrogant, he was more of a real-deal Jedi. Of course, ol' Qui-Gonn was pretty unmoved by the slaves on Tatooine, wasn't he (not very sensitive). Kind of snapped at Obi Wan when he mentioned they had picked up another straggler, no? Oh wait, maybe Qui-Gonn WAS arrogant...now my head is spinning...*S*
I think that it is not enough to assert that the Jedi were arrogant because GL and company say so in interviews and such. You have to DEMONSTRATE it. And being wrong, or losing, is not de facto evidence of "arrogance"...
In my humble, MODEST opinion.... 
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Crap! Crappy! Crap! Her death scene was appalling because the actress throws her arms in the air and falls over, whilst looking over at George for direction!! There's no look of pain on her face or of anguish, just her looking to see what she's supposed to be doing!! It suck suck sucks! For me, the only bad moment in ROTS.
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DarthSapient
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Okay, so are you saying you didn't like it? I'm looking at your post and I can't figure out what you're trying to say.
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