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Cryogenic Registered: Jul '05	Date Posted: 11/10/05 5:59am Subject: Anakin's Hooded Moments as Darth Vader
	Did anyone else find the hood visually effective? Not only does it pre-figure the infamous helmet that Anakin will soon wear and make him more shadowy and sinister, but it's also a way of visually suggesting Anakin's conflict without having to constantly show his face or employ dialogue. The hood obscures us from the real Anakin just as surely as Anakin was allowing his Vader persona to obscure his earlier self; yet he couldn't hide his actual face. More pertinently: he still HAD his face. Thus, the hood is telling us that Anakin is conflicted and somewhere between the two sides of his nature as he commits his repugnant deeds. Add in the occasional face shot and the occasional tear, not to mention Anakin's voice cracking as he declares his actions to Obi Wan with his back turned ("I have brought peace, freedom and security...") and his continued use of a blue sabre, and we actually have a lot being suggested to us. Thoughts? -----signature----- I have a great admiration for George. These films are very well-intentioned. All right, they make tremendous amounts of money and appeal to kids, but they say good things, and they say them in a broad way. I believe in the Star Wars films. - Ian McDiarmid
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invader_jenny Registered: Nov '05	Date Posted: 11/10/05 6:01am Subject: RE: Anakin's Hooded Moments as Darth Vader
	The hood was good, but there was just too much damn squinting. My mother made the joke for days after we saw the movie: "Look! I'm turning to the Dark Side because I'm squinting! Look! Now I'm evil. squint" -----signature----- "I am altering the movies. Pray I don't alter them any further." -Darth Lucas "I have a sneaking suspicion that if there were a way to make movies without actors, George Lucas would do it." -Mark Hamill
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Cryogenic Registered: Jul '05	Date Posted: 11/10/05 6:11am Subject: RE: Anakin's Hooded Moments as Darth Vader
	Oh... you haven't seen the worst of it, Jenny. Here's a picture I did: In all seriousness, however, Star Wars is visually driven. That's why the picture was so easy to play on and that's why Anakin can be found furrowing his brow as much as he does. OK, back to the hood... -----signature----- I have a great admiration for George. These films are very well-intentioned. All right, they make tremendous amounts of money and appeal to kids, but they say good things, and they say them in a broad way. I believe in the Star Wars films. - Ian McDiarmid
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Sidious_T Registered: Jun '04	Date Posted: 11/10/05 6:30am Subject: RE: Anakin's Hooded Moments as Darth Vader
	All it did for me was signify his turn. I see no other visual impact, but then again, I don't go looking to see if every single scene has a meaning to it. Play nice. That's baiting. -----signature----- Everything changes
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Force-Keeper Registered: Jun '04	Date Posted: 11/10/05 6:32am Subject: RE: Anakin's Hooded Moments as Darth Vader
	I think it’s very visually effective. I think a simple way to put it is that the hood represents his evil side – Darth Vader. When he has it on he’s a whole other person, he’s not himself.
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Cryogenic Registered: Jul '05	Date Posted: 11/10/05 6:37am Subject: RE: Anakin's Hooded Moments as Darth Vader
	Sidious_T posted: but then again, I don't go looking to see if every single scene has a meaning to it. Edit: Stop. Getting that out of his profile is also baiting. Let's end this right here. -----signature----- I have a great admiration for George. These films are very well-intentioned. All right, they make tremendous amounts of money and appeal to kids, but they say good things, and they say them in a broad way. I believe in the Star Wars films. - Ian McDiarmid
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TheSith14 Registered: Jan '05	Date Posted: 11/10/05 6:44am Subject: RE: Anakin's Hooded Moments as Darth Vader
	I think it was great! He looks evil while he have the hood on. BTW Im back now, I havent been on the boards since the release of EP3! So hello again!! -----signature----- "certain scenes are brutal, even scary. Parents be warned, especially those of 5-6 year olds: Revenge of the Sith is not for their kids' - George Lucas" awesome!! Revenge Of The Sith now on DVD! Pre ordered the exclusive Luke figure from Sideshow
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yoshifett Registered: Apr '04	Date Posted: 11/10/05 7:04am Subject: RE: Anakin's Hooded Moments as Darth Vader
	And...the bait is taken!
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Sidious_T Registered: Jun '04	Date Posted: 11/10/05 7:19am Subject: RE: Anakin's Hooded Moments as Darth Vader
	That was not meant as bait, I was only speaking about myself. -----signature----- Everything changes
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rhonderoo Title: Former Head Admin Registered: Aug '02	Date Posted: 11/10/05 7:30am Subject: RE: Anakin's Hooded Moments as Darth Vader
	Back to Anakin's Hooded Moments. Yoshi, quit perpetuating drama. That is all. -----signature----- DT421 FYI: You don't deal with me. I deal with you. Damned right the Jedi's fire has gone out of the universe. I was the bad-ass Class C extinguisher who snuffed them. - @darthvader (Darth Vader on Twitter)
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Darth Sin Registered: Oct '99	Date Posted: 11/10/05 7:36am Subject: RE: Anakin's Hooded Moments as Darth Vader
	I do agree that Anakin putting the hood on before and when he committed his evil deeds was quite powerful. I thought it was so interesting that when he arrives on Mustafar, he tells R2 to stay behind. I took this that he did not want R2 to witness his evil deeds, then he walks and away proceeds to pull the hood over his head. Even R2 could somehow sense somewthung was wrong. Then after the killings he keeps the hood on, reports to Sidious and really sounds sinister in doing this. Then he is just standing there looking out over Mustafar and we see the inner conflict within him between good and evil. Then he sees Padme's ship arrive, and then he pulls the hood off and suddenly transform back to good old loving Anakin. I thought this was powerful, because it showed for me how the Sith accomplished what had over the many years, because they could transform at will appearing as an angel of good and light like Palpatine had been doing so long in deceiving the Republic. It worked for Dooku as well. By the way, I wish now we could have seen Dooku with his hood over his head Darth Sin! -----signature----- "I see you becoming the greatest of all Jedi": Palpatine Lamont: "Martial arts is the oldest form of self defense" Grady: "It ain't older than running" Yoda: The Force is used for knowledge and defense, never for attack
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poodookoo Registered: Feb '04	Date Posted: 11/10/05 7:43am Subject: RE: Anakin's Hooded Moments as Darth Vader
	Ever since AOTC came out, I had been waiting to a see a pre-suit Darth Vader. I wasn't let down by what I saw in ROTS, I thought Hayden actually became likeable once he turned bad! Just wish we'd seen him take out some Jedi with the hood up. Even ONE would've sufficed! -----signature----- WAR! The Republic is crumbling under attacks by the ruthless Sith Lord, COUNT DOOKU. There are heroes on both sides. Evil is everywhere.
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emporergerner Registered: Jul '05	Date Posted: 11/10/05 7:47am Subject: RE: Anakin's Hooded Moments as Darth Vader
	Anakin with his hood up is what I have been waiting for. Him walking up the temple steps getting ready to kill the jedi, with his hood up and the 501st right behind oh it gives me chills. Emporer Gerner Dark Lord of the Sith -----signature----- Student of Vancouver film school "What fuels your power with the Force but your passion? The stronger, darker emotions. Anger, hatred, fear… these passions empower us." Proud master of Sartorius
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Circle_Is_Complete Registered: May '05	Date Posted: 11/10/05 7:52am Subject: RE: Anakin's Hooded Moments as Darth Vader
	I think the most symbolic thing the hood could have represented is that he could only see straight ahead. It blinded his peripheral vision. He had his eyes forward looking only at one thing more and more during the movie and was blinded more and more of the things around him. Most of it knowingly and willingly at first. -----signature----- Mrs. Bluth to Annyong: "Here is some money, go see a Star War" Obi-Wan to Palpatine "Sith are our speciality" New member of the Obi-Wan Kenobi fan club!
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darth_ral Registered: Nov '04	Date Posted: 11/10/05 8:06am Subject: RE: Anakin's Hooded Moments as Darth Vader
	Circle_Is_Complete posted: I think the most symbolic thing the hood could have represented is that he could only see straight ahead. It blinded his peripheral vision. He had his eyes forward looking only at one thing more and more during the movie and was blinded more and more of the things around him. Most of it knowingly and willingly at first. very good
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Cryogenic Registered: Jul '05	Date Posted: 11/10/05 8:13am Subject: RE: Anakin's Hooded Moments as Darth Vader
	YEAH!!! This thread has had some varied contributions thus far. And that may be the best of the lot! Obviously, it's a stretch to read so much into one little aspect of the film. In that respect, I agree fully with Sidious_T. It could be something and nothing. Sometimes, a cigar is just a cigar and all that spiel... Yet it's interesting to see what we all take from the same material - especially in a film series that is, by its creator's own admission, visually driven. Here is what the owner of Lard Biscuit, a very wise man in my humble opinion, has to more generally say on the matter: http://www.lardbiscuit.com/lard/shroud4.html posted: All of the Star Wars movies are drenched in symbolism, much of it obvious and much of it so subtle as to escape attention almost entirely. You can start with any particular thematic element and quickly discover a rich tapestry of ideas and meanings woven together in repeating patterns throughout the saga. I'm not saying that George Lucas deliberately planted every single nugget of symbolism I'm about to discuss in this section. In fact, it doesn't matter whether he did or not. Any mythic narrative worth a damn carries messages and resonance going beyond what its authors consciously set down. The hood definitely puts something extra across that those scenes would lack without it. Seeing ANAKIN as Vader was one of the more startling and surprising aspects of the film. -----signature----- I have a great admiration for George. These films are very well-intentioned. All right, they make tremendous amounts of money and appeal to kids, but they say good things, and they say them in a broad way. I believe in the Star Wars films. - Ian McDiarmid
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